Does anyone think hospitality will re-open on the 3rd?

[Viv0321]

Does anyone think hospitality will re-open on the 3rd?

I don't think they'll open properly. Maybe partially in some areas. All the media are talking about possible new Tier 4 for England. I think if they could get away with it they would lock down until the New Year but I doubt that would be very popular!

@feellikeanalien

I don't think they'll open properly. Maybe partially in some areas. All the media are talking about possible new Tier 4 for England. I think if they could get away with it they would lock down until the New Year but I doubt that would be very popular!

I think there should be a tier 4 also I get the feeling the whole shebang will reopen on December 3rd with pubs having a 10pm curfew like before Which was pointless in my opinion as it just encourages the whole pub turfing out Into the street at the same time What 21 year old wants to be home at just gone 10pm .... it encourages youngsters just drinking in the parks or round each others houses

They won't close pubs in favour of schools. We have a massive increase in schools closed or partially closed. If it's the same over the UK, that could increase the risk of closure.

Families in bubbles with elderly or vulnerable, will have to make the decision of taking their DC out of school early or risk passing it on. Not great.

I think shops will open initially but I would be surprised if pubs did given the current numbers and hospital cases.

Yes, if they "close" schools", move them on line. Leave open for vulnerable children and children whose parents aren't at home. I can tolerate mine for a month or so while I WFH. It'll be nice to isolate and not have the worry about anyone getting ill.

End of January is going to be a mess if there aren't some controls over Xmas and new year. Everything can't be open.

If schools were going to shut , I think Boris would have done so by now
I think he’s keen to reopen December 3rd

Personally I believe the best option would be closing schools entirely on the 4th and allowing hospitality to reopen with no curfew but table service from the 5th until new years eve, with the 2 weeks of school closure being tacked on to the end of term in July.

It will be overly complicated clearly.....
Open in tier 1 with table service
Open tier 2 with food
Take-away only tier 3
Tier 4 and above if there is above remain closed

So then they can blame the local population if your local is closed.

@StatisticalSense you speak the most sense I've read all day. Why for the love of god are we not saying it's winter. It's shit. Close schools now and have them open over the summer. Ridiculous that it's not being mentioned.

There would need to be childcare options for keyworker kids mind.

I'd happily have my kids at home in that scenario.

@StatisticalSense

Personally I believe the best option would be closing schools entirely on the 4th and allowing hospitality to reopen with no curfew but table service from the 5th until new years eve, with the 2 weeks of school closure being tacked on to the end of term in July.

I work in a school. It's getting dangerous now keeping them open just so the government can prove a point.

I said half term should have had a circuit breaker for 2 weeks and tacked that week onto the summer which would be better with exams being moved 3 weeks later.

I think Xmas should be 3 weeks holiday and add that onto the summer instead. Purely because everyone will mix and it'll be brought back into schools and spread round again come January.

Yes, if they "close" schools", move them on line. Leave open for vulnerable children and children whose parents aren't at home. I can tolerate mine for a month or so while I WFH. It'll be nice to isolate and not have the worry about anyone getting ill.

^^ indeed the worry is awful... it would be nice to have the option of a worry break....blended learning is surely the answer?

Seriously close schools so everyone can pop out for a meal or down the pub?
I work in a school, have you any idea the time and effort (and stress) the staff have gone through to get the children back to learning where they were before lockdown? And that’s with our school providing a full remote learning timetable. Why should people be able to go out for a meal rather than access education? I can tell you my Y11 DS who is on the verge of some sort of breakdown would rather be in school and have some sort of chance of actually getting his predicted grades at GCSE than having lunch somewhere. Kids need access to education and to be able to sports. Shops needs to be open for the economy and so people can buy Christmas presents, and hospitality should be given government funding until after Christmas. Seriously, no body needs to go to a restaurant or a pub.

i work in a hotel and have worked throughout!

Agree @ihearttc I don't want my DS missing any more school. He has to work hard as it is to keep up.

How can they open pubs etc and still stop people meeting family? No point in opening shops for Xmas rush if families can’t spend xmas together.

Those saying close schools except for key workers... what about the not-key-workers who are still in the office (estate agents/banks etc) or the ones who have struggled through earlier in the year?

Also, why should my kids schools close when DC1 secondary has had 3 cases since September (and not closed a year group or even a ‘bubble’ just having those closest to the case isolate) and DC2 has had 2 cases (non-teaching staff). Why should they close?

Perhaps people should be trusted to use their own brain a bit more... ie a local village school (we are in the city) has all but 1 class off - they should close for the village and community. But the DfE and ofsted would be total arses about it.

We need to stop the PANIC WE MUST CLOSE WHATEVER thing and be a bit more individual and rational I our approach.

I personally believe we need to decide on a policy for the festive period and stick to it. I believe a 3/4 stage plan that allows for hospitality to open and for families to see each other over the festive period and doesn't reduce the amount of schooling over the entire school year is the best option both to keep the virus under some sort of control and also keep compliance at a reasonable level. If I was in charge I would do the following:

• Keep current restrictions in place for an extra few days until Dec 4th/6th depending on Sector
• Close schools for 6 weeks from December 4th until January 18th, with the middle 4 weeks of the summer holiday becoming term time to compensate and keep a 38 week academic year.
• Reopen non-essential retail on December 5th and all other businesses that were open prior to current lock down on December 7th with hospitality continuing to be limited to table service but without curfew
• Enforce the rule of six in all settings throughout the period in question including on Xmas day and surrounding period and encourage people to meet outside wherever possible
• Allow nightclubs (and other late night entertainment venues, excluding strip clubs and other similar establishments) to open on 31st December, 1st and 2nd January at 50% of full capacity for those aged between 18 and 29 (encourage the use of rapid testing by patrons if available in sufficient numbers by then)

-Have a stricter lockdown than in March for 14 days from 4th January including the closure of all businesses that are not immediately essential and bans on leaving the house other than for essential work, caring or one weekly trip for food (no exercise exemptions) -Guarantee the reopening of schools and non essential retail excluding close contact services such as hairdressers on January 18th and promise further detail as to the ongoing restrictions by January 11th

Ihearttc is right

I like statistical’s plan

• Where businesses can reopen on December 7th this specifically excludes Children's groups which can reopen from December 18th for a singular session per group and theatres and other arts venues which will be brought into line with the restrictions on sporting events.

I suspect they'll open everything up in a big "yay, Boris saved Christmas! Go forth and spend your money, peasants!" flurry.

Then in January we'll all get a good telling off for doing exactly that and driving the rates up, and we'll be back into full lockdown (except schools) again as punishment.

@loveislouderthanwar - very difficult to do when people won't have childcare & so can't work

Chef here
I’m scheduled to work on the 3rd
I’m SE & don’t qualify for any help. Not a penny.
It’s going to be a very bleak Christmas if we don’t open

Statistical's plan isn't a bad one, but won't work because teachers will have already booked holidays for July.

I am also with BeigeFood, my son's 6th form college has had 2 cases, so why should it close?

Have a stricter lockdown than in March for 14 days from 4th January including the closure of all businesses that are not immediately essential and bans on leaving the house other than for essential work, caring or one weekly trip for food (no exercise exemptions how will banning people from going outside help to reduce cases of covid? and how is one long stay in a supermarket safer than three short ones?

It's not just keyworkers that need childcare though unfortunately. I'm not a key worker but I cannot do my job from home (manufacturing) and this is our busiest time of year so I wouldn't be allowed time off.