Do you really keep DC indoors for 14 days?

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DS's school year has been sent home for 14 days because someone in his year has covid. I know we are supposed to keep him indoors the whole time. But what have people really done in practice? It's a very long time not to walk further than the bathroom.

Yes we kept our DC in for 14 days. We are currently isolating again pending a test result. Those are the rules.

And just to be clear I'm talking about someone without any known reaction to bee stings!

Would the shielding child in the woods be licking other children or do you maybe think in the woods it’s possible to spot other people and keep distance?

Even though we know that if they walked past at close proximity the virus doesn’t spread outdoors like this!

@FreekStar I really hope you are kidding that you let someone who is meant to be isolating go to the supermarket?

WTAF? No wonder we are in this mess.

@AltJ this makes me so mad. I feel stupid for trusting that people follow the rules. I felt safe going to the park. Now I don't.

WTAF is wrong with people?

I felt safe going to the park. Now I don't.

Why wouldn’t you feel safe though? You’re not going to catch CV if you’re keeping your distance from others in the open air.

@TheKeatingFive it's about trust. I know the chances are minimal but there is still a chance - touching the same surfaces etc. I just won't understand why this is needed.

Yes the isolations are crap. But I stick to them because I don't want to do MORE isolations. The reason we are in this mess is because the virus transmits to others. If you isolate it can't transmit. It's not really rocket science.

What would happen if everyone went to parks and went for walks and went to the supermarket. It takes average 5 days to display symptoms following contact with a positive case. Saying they don't have COVID so where is the risk? You don't know they don't have COVID?! No one does?

We have to separate quiet walks to visits to the supermarket and the playground.

They are different things with different risks. The public appear to be too stupid to understand this, hence the blanket ‘stay in your house’.

If you live in an area with some quiet walks then you really aren’t posing any risk.

It’s a bit like banging my head against a wall here. This virus transmits inside with close contact with an infected person for more than 15 minutes. You will not catch it by walking past an infected person outside in fresh air for a couple of seconds.

It has recently been found to degrade very quickly outside on surfaces. This is new information that some people appear to have missed..

You will not catch it by walking past an infected person outside in fresh air for a couple of seconds.

You might if the infected person coughs or sneezes at you or (as seems to the case for many small children round here) runs up to you and barges into you.

There is nothing magic about the 2m distance (which most people don't keep when they are walking past someone else anyway). It's simply the distance at which risk is minimised but not entirely reduced. Transmission via aerosol transmission in the air is also a possibility. Yes, these might be small risks, but they are risks.

touching the same surfaces etc

The latest science has debunked fomite transmission as a means of transmission. There really is no reason to feel unsafe in outdoor locations while keeping your distance.

You might if the infected person coughs or sneezes at you

I’ve never in my life had a stranger cough/sneeze right in my face, which is presumably what would need to happen to have any chance at all of passing it on outdoors.

This virus transmits inside with close contact with an infected person for more than 15 minutes.

This. This risks in passing people in the park are just infinitesimally small. We need to start having sensible conversations like grownups about how best to manage this. Understanding risk settings is a key step in that.

I’ve never had a small person running up to me on a quiet walk. I’m guessing they’d be at my knees anyway rather than breathing in my face. I think we are all capable of not breathing or coughing or going near other strangers outside really.

Yes there is new evidence out about surfaces. I’m much less concerned about touching gates etc on my walks than I was in March. Because I read and absorb all the latest scientific evidence and let that dictate how I behave. It’s called critical thinking.

Yes @TheKeatingFive I’ve literally never had someone walk up to me outside and cough in my face.

You might if the infected person coughs or sneezes at you or (as seems to the case for many small children round here) runs up to you and barges into you.

That’s why there’s a 2m rule, for the coughs and sneezes!

Come on, use some of your own brains

Since many people who have tested positive had no symptoms at all (looking at standard testing at work and also in Liverpool) it is obvious that some people who are positive are out there in parks and waking (relatively) near others.
So how do you suddenly feel unsafe after this thread?

That’s why there’s a 2m rule, for the coughs and sneezes!

People don't keep to 2m when they are walking past someone though.
Which is the point of this thread really. It's not safe to go out for "a quiet walk" unless you live somewhere where you can 100% guarantee you will not meet a soul.

I live in a quiet residential area and am in the habit of going for a walk after 10pm. I virtually always meet someone (even when it's raining).

Unless people live in very deserted rural areas (which of course some people do, but most do live in towns/cities) I can't see how you can guarantee you won't meet someone.

I live in a quiet residential area and am in the habit of going for a walk after 10pm. I virtually always meet someone (even when it's raining).

Cross the road?

I think we all understand that some people believe it is entirely irresponsible to even consider going outside even if there is no chance of transmitting a virus to anyone. This thread isn’t going to convince anyone to act differently to how they already are. Positions are entrenched, obviously, and no one can offer new information to change anyone’s mind.

Cross the road

I'm walking through parks where there isn't really anywhere to go. Unless you jump in the bushes. Or the mud bath that used to be a bit of grass.

If it's so absolutely fine to go for a socially distanced walk when you are self isolating, why isn't that in the guidelines? The point is that, there may only be a small risk, but it is still a risk, and it's not up to the self isolating person to gamble with other people's health.

My mistake - you said you were in a quiet residential area at 10pm. It’s probably best not to be in a park late at night, though.

If it's so absolutely fine to go for a socially distanced walk when you are self isolating, why isn't that in the guidelines?

Because they need a blunt tool to ensure maximum compliance. It’s got nothing to do with relative risk. It’s just that blanket rules are easier to enforce. It’s nothing to do with how the virus spreads, it’s to do with how humans behave.

It is not risky to go for a walk in the fresh air more than 2m away from someone you’ll pass briefly on a path, field or street in a low density population area.

It is a bit more risky in a high density population area.

If you are self isolating in a high density population area, and can’t get out without meeting people, stay in.

But people who can go out without meeting people aren’t some cavalier health-wreckers hell bent on infecting swathes of the population. That’s all.

[quote Wowthisisreal]@AltJ this makes me so mad. I feel stupid for trusting that people follow the rules. I felt safe going to the park. Now I don't.

WTAF is wrong with people? [/quote]
Why would you feel safe going to the park?
Anyone could have Covid, some people are asymptomatic. Any self-isolating person at the park might have Covid!

In fact, a random person is much more likely to have Covid than my self isolating daughter who has already had Covid a few weeks ago!

If you are desperate to avoid Covid at all costs, better to stay indoors.

Honestly some people are so hard of thinking.

*Any none self isolating person

My son is on his second period of isolation. He happily stays in as he's a preteen and his idea of heaven is two weeks locked up with an excuse to stare dead-eyed at various screens. He didn't go out at all the first time and he's near the end of isolation now for the second time and shows no wish to go out. If it was one of my other kids, I would take them out to an isolated field and let them run around as they'd need it and this would pose no risk to anyone and ensure the household did not all go mad. We have no garden.

It’s so bad for a child to stare at a screen for two weeks with no exercise or fresh air.
Second period of isolation? So no exercise or walking for 4 weeks. On a screen for 4 weeks.

Why does a preteen need no exercise or fresh air or daylight for 4 weeks but younger children do.

"If you are self isolating in a high density population area, and can’t get out without meeting people, stay in."

You couldn't have a rule allowing some out but not others (when there is no difference in needs) because people would see it as unfair and not comply.

I live in a rural area and although it is possible to completely avoid others, people still congregate in the same places and have conversations with others they meet standing less than 2m away so even when it is possible I wouldn't trust lots of people to do it.