Where are people catching COVID?

[ApplestheHare]

Can anyone point me in the direction of data showing the most common UK settings for catching COVID? I've seen some gov or test and trace slides somewhere but can't find them again!

If people are largely getting it in supermarkets what’s the point of the fecking masks? And yes I know some people aren’t wearing them properly but most people I see are.

Good point. Just because people are saying they’ve been to the supermarket doesn’t meant that’s where they have caught it. There’s no evidence to show supermarkets are high risk places.

I'm interested to. They say it's not school but let's say... Anne at school has it, she then takes it home to her family and 3 family members get it, do they then say.. The transmission happened at home?.

I'm wondering what will happen when the real cold air hits?

My sisters father in law caught it at the pub.

People are catching it wherever they have put themselves at risk. Some of the risks will be tiny and/or result in no transmission even though there was the potential for it - for example, being in a queue outside for longer than intended or several seats away from a case on a bus.

Some of them will be larger but with a consistent raft of the more effective counter measures, will be controlled better - e.g. attending a hospital waiting room or other space in a hospital that definitely has known covid cases, but staff following stringent infection control.

Some of them could technically be lesser, yet count for much more if spread is happening because almost no proven counter measures are allowed and the conditions of distance, frequency of 'assembling' and numbers of people are much higher than most other situations now. People within the groups are also exposed to their own personal risks or mitigations. This is the state of play for schools and food factories, crowded transport. Possibly university residences, though I'd suspect that is now a peak that's diving back down in general.

I caught mine from work, around 6 of us had it at the same time

Kids spreading it mainly in my circle. Bringing it back home from school and college.

In schools.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54937486

How on earth do most people know exactly where they caught it?

Particularly before lockdown when many of us would go to a supermarket, perhaps to a cafe, then go to work, etc.. all on the same day. Then head home and mix with a household with school children and a partner who also works.

This subtext that somehow people are only catching it because they did naughty things... then presumably you believe that mostly only bad or careless people are catching it. Or people with connections to school children. We know none of that is true.

piggywaspushed thank you!

@ragged

This subtext that somehow people are only catching it because they did naughty things... then presumably you believe that mostly only bad or careless people are catching it. Or people with connections to school children. We know none of that is true.

Exactly. I find it a bit weird. Especially as it seems to be

People who spread it - bad and rule breakers
People who get seriously ill or die - poor innocent souls as good as murdered by the feckless

Truth is it’s just a virus it’ll go for whoever it can whether they are following the rules or not.

There is a hell of a lot of transmission in care homes going on. One care home i know of that a relative works in, patient transferred from hospital. Cock up over test results. That one resident has caught it in hospital, moved to the care home and as a result at least 40 residents and staff have tested positive. Fortunately mostly asymptomatic

That was supposed to say hospitals and care homes. Hospitals being a biggy

@Popfan

There have been 4 cases of coronavirus in my son's secondary school. In all 4 cases the child was infected by a parent not through being at school. The school is stringent in their measures and the four cases have not led to any other cases in school.

Unless they tested everyone you can’t possible know this because many infected of that age group especially will be totally asymptomatic.

"This subtext that somehow people are only catching it because they did naughty things... then presumably you believe that mostly only bad or careless people are catching it"

No, I don't believe this. Travelling, working, going to school, going for medical appointments, caring for people who cannot be self-sufficient, are not really optional but they all carry a bit of risk. Some might be really low for you; school won't be an issue if you have no kids. Travel not a big deal if you're a driver and use your own vehicle day to day. Age or sex might statistically be on your side based on the overall known results at this point. As far as we know so far, there is no golden combination of factors that will make certain you will not catch it whatever the risk, but reducing some exposures while increasing other protective measures is more or less all we have got. It seems too 'flaky' but I think that is because we are so used to everything losing its danger because we have medical solutions that can turn the tide in most diseases, and, usually, enough resources to devote to treatment and control. This will come, worst case scenario through herd immunity, but this is the early days of the second wave. The first was cut short by winter ending (most coronavirus types show this www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/common-coronaviruses-appear-to-be-highly-seasonal) and lockdown.

I caught it almost certainly from school, most likely from a symptom free child, based on my track and trace information.

Over five weeks we have since has 11+ staff test positive, several parents and now some of the young children.

Staff don't have close contact with parent or one another. I certainly didn't.

Lots of children have 'a bit of a cold' etc but obviously not being tested as not eligible. I suspect some of those children sneezing and a bit off colour may well be carrying Covid, as will some without symptoms.

It's too big a coincidence for this number of adults to be catching it for them all to be isolated cases, no matter what our LEA likes to be publishing in their latest update this week.

How on earth do most people know exactly where they caught it?

When you test positive you have to list lol the places you've been and who you've had contact with for 5 days prior to your symptoms.

If you've already reduced your contacts then it becomes easier to pinpoint the likely source.

I know that before my symptoms the only perks on outside of work I'd had close contact with was dh. In that time he hadn't knowingly been in contact with anyone who tested positive before or since, not did he have any symptoms himself.

My outside work visits anywhere were limited and I was never within 2m of anyone for any length of time. I do all my shopping online.

At school I am not in a bubble and had no close contact with any other adult there. The only people at work I'd had close contact with for prolonged periods of time were the young children I teach. So it's more likely it came from in of the 270 children I taught that week.

Several 'had colds' and were sneezing etc on the room. I know for sure at least one sneezed all over my hands and top in that week. There's only so much extra cleaning you can do.

Anecdata but I work in a primary school. Two parents from the same class work in a local care home a d tested positive as part of routine testing. Their DC showed no obvious symptoms and went home to isolate. The next day both staff members from the class felt unwell and subsequently both tested positive. No precise evidence of transmission but it would seem to be a huge coincidence, especially as it has been since lockdown and neither staff member had been anywhere other than school.

So how safe are supermarkets then?

"So how safe are supermarkets then?"

Difficult to know since the statistics on professions catching covid haven't been played blushed since about July.

However, I have yet to see any posters from supermarkets saying how a third of the staff are off with covid. This is something you see quite a bit now from people working in hospitals and from teachers in schools.

Even though sd in a lot of supermarkets seems to have been abandoned except whilst queuing they are usually big spaces, almost everyone wears a mask and you are not in close proximity for very long.

I'd guess that infections are common in hospitals care homes schools and food processing plants and in homes once someone brings it home.

Since the virus is now endemic it is lily that many of us have it it have had it with no symptoms so there is no reliable way of know ‘where’ you got it. Fortunately better treatments are being devised for those with serious symptoms. In the school I work we have had only one confirmed case of a teacher (ironically someone who was neurotic and obsessive about masks and distancing) and one positive a symptomatic child. But probably loads more if have/had it and and no symptoms.

Didn’t the ONS come out with figures that showed that teachers were no more at risk than other professions and parents had an 8% higher risk than non parents? This seems to imply that schools are not the main transmission source.

"Didn’t the ONS come out with figures that showed that teachers were no more at risk than other professions"

Well yes but other keyworkers were care home workers and NHS staff.

notevenat20 do you have a link to that ONS data? I'm avoiding anecdata as it only ever gives such a small part of the story.