Where are people catching COVID?

[ApplestheHare]

Can anyone point me in the direction of data showing the most common UK settings for catching COVID? I've seen some gov or test and trace slides somewhere but can't find them again!

But what would happen to those numbers if schools opened again?

The data I've seen says the most common is from close friends and family.

Lots of people on this thread saying it is not spreading in schools. My experience was that we had 2 pupil cases a day in the fortnight before calf term and one third of staff off. This was despite spending most breaks and Every lunch with kids.

I live on my own and cut off all social contact with my support bubble after 3 colleagues in my dept went off with covid in 2 days.

I caught it 2 days later despite having gone nowhere but work for a week and only a 50 minute visit to a supermarket in that fortnight.

I'm pretty confident that I caught it at work!

There were cases in classes that I teach. At least 4 close contacts remained in school throughout. Half a dozen of the kids in that class tell me they have had covid but only 1 parent informed the school. Just this week a pupil was picked up by survey testing but had been in school 8 days after his positive test. Only kids in close contact for the first 2 were told to isolate.

Outbreaks in s hooks are not being investigated in any way. There is no mass testing in individusl schools when cases there are massively above the community rate. I don't think they are doing mass testing in liverpool schools either.

Despite this we know that prevalence in secondary aged kids has increased massively. Lack of proactive testing allows the government to claim that transmission in schools is unclear. It may not be happening in all schools but we are asking schools to contact trace etc with no real training or resources to do so which massively increases the chances of asymptomatic casesvin staff or pupils attending schools and spreading it without knowing

Reply sorry caught it 2 weeks later

All the cases I know of have been in schools, but who knows where the people had been who took it into the schools in the first place. The problem is, once it’s in there, it can spread quickly.

I tested positive on Wednesday In the week previous to that I picked up my click and collect groceries from Tesco car park, went into work for 3 hrs ( nobody else there ) and had a flu jab at a pharmacy. Wore a mask every time. There are 5 cases at DD's school which is 4 pupils and 1 teacher ( 1 case in DD's class )
DD tested negative but I was positive!

3 positive results today. 2 children go to school come home and I haven't left house since 2/11 except for milk once. So think that shows school

"From PHW statements it seems people socialising (in social clubs and peoples homes) have been the main sources."

The biggest source is within people's homes and who people socialise with. The main reason non essential shops have been shut is to stop people treating it as a social outing. There will of course be a smaller amount of transmission in workplaces including schools.

Most people don't seem to know especially if they've been to different places and don't have kids in school. A friend who got it two weeks ago thinks she got it from a restaurant as she'd only been for a couple of meals out and the Post Office.

The only other person I know personally who had it (back in March) got it from someone she knows in a work setting.

The 'riskiest' activies slide here pretty much sums it up: informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

The emerging data is all about aerosols which circulate in the air in rooms where there are infected people - emitted simply through talking and breathing!
So key parameters to consider are:

• enclosed spaces
• Poor ventilation/ airflow and air replacement
• length of time spent

Do we have data on supermarkets?

I thought as you aren’t in close contact with one person and aren’t in there for very long they would be ok? Plus now we’ve worked out touching things (such as handles on trollies) isn’t as bad as we first thought for transmission?

I’ve been feeling pretty safe in the supermarket!

That info graphic has grocery shopping as low risk so I don’t think it’s true about supermarket transmission.

@Delatron

That info graphic has grocery shopping as low risk so I don’t think it’s true about supermarket transmission.

The thing is, imagine you test positive and T&T contact you. How likely are you to admit that you sneaked round and had a coffee at a friend's house? That's illegal. Much easier to say you've been nowhere other than the supermarket.

Households, residential settings (like care homes, prisons & long term stay hospitals) , health care work places - are main ones. People only have to interact with each other in entirely legal ways within households & residences to pass it on.

Here is the surveillance report OP

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports

@CornflakeMum

The 'riskiest' activies slide here pretty much sums it up: informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

The emerging data is all about aerosols which circulate in the air in rooms where there are infected people - emitted simply through talking and breathing!
So key parameters to consider are:

• enclosed spaces
• Poor ventilation/ airflow and air replacement
• length of time spent

Good site, thanks for this

Any proof about the schools thing? Our primary school is seeing healthiest winter yet and the highest attendance due to less colds and flu

Or is it mainly a secondary school thing?

Apologies if I cross posted with anyone. I have achey slow typing hands

How likely are you to admit that you sneaked round and had a coffee at a friend's house? That's illegal.

Only since about 4 November, right, and only if outside one's bubble / care support network? Add in the incubation periods (up to 14 days); most cases detected today were due to legal activity before and after 4 November.

The disabled chap I do some volunteer work for (outside) said he's going around to a friend's for coffee several times a week. I dunno if they both call it a bubble, but he was saying it's the only time he has quality human contact other than with his carers. Good For Him.

I’m a teacher and I caught it at school.

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Between 17.5% and 25% (depending on area) of people in hospital with covid, caught it in hospital. So hospitals probably another source of infection.

I had wondered this, I’m surprised it’s that low tbh. I was wondering particularly where the old and vulnerable were getting it and dying, given we’ve had restrictions a long time now and many of those groups have been extremely careful for months. I’d assumed probably hospital.

Most big supermarkets have good mechanical ventilation systems so air is constantly moving (and possibly being filtered/replaced). Unfortunately queuing for 10 mins in your small local corner shop in an old building with a low ceilings and the door closed is likely to be much riskier.

"The thing is, imagine you test positive and T&T contact you. How likely are you to admit that you sneaked round and had a coffee at a friend's house? That's illegal. Much easier to say you've been nowhere other than the supermarket."

Also those people who caught from friends when they saw them in the pub may well have caught it when they were in their friends house multiple times when they shouldn't have been.

Just because there’s bubbles popped in schools doesn’t mean it’s spreading there though does it? In fact of the bubbles sent home at my DDs school we haven’t heard of any further cases within that bubble. It’s certainly not gone around the whole class even though a child in the class tested positive.

The report that put supermarkets top of the list was "where have you been", not "where did you catch it". As most people will have been to supermarkets, it's obvious that was always going to be top of the list. Same as why schools were high on the list. There's no way of knowing "where" you caught it and as another poster said above, people really aren't going to admit they've been to a big party or rave!