Reopening on 2nd December: remember this.

[wanderings]

That is what our glorious leader said, that we waited three hours to hear, and we must hold him to account on it. Tier 4 restrictions will end on 2nd Dec, and will return to 3 or below on 2nd December. That is what he stated CATEGORICALLY, and yes, we did hear him right; he did not say that it would merely be "reviewed" on 2nd December, he said tier 4 restrictions would be REMOVED.

It's nice to have an end date to this new misery in sight, but unfortunately the oath came from a face with a nose longer than Pinocchio's. The single way in which our glorious leader is most likely to fuck up everybody this time round is by NOT keeping his word on this. After all, this is the man who promised "we can turn this virus around in twelve weeks" and "normalish by Christmas". Little was said about what they might achieve in this latest missile attack on people's livelihoods, but we could easily hear "we didn't achieve what we hoped, we never told you about it anyway, it's your fault anyway, so it's lasting longer" on 1st December.

Businesses need to plan for reopening on 2nd December, and be very public about it, so that if the government reneges on this promise, the damage done will be very clear indeed. The government is likely to spin their way out of allowing things back to how they are now on 2nd December: we must not be brainwashed into letting this happen.

If the government does actually keep their word on this, and it's business as usual (at least, as it is now) on 2nd December, they might actually do something to restore some public trust.

Remember also that if this lockdown is having the effect that it is supposed to have, many regions should be returning to LOWER tiers than they are in now. We do not expect areas which are in tier 2 or below now to find themselves in 3 on 2nd December.

Remember this. Watch the government, not your neighbours.

@SunShinesStill You are twisting my words, like other posters have. I did not say "why are we tolerating the lockdown?". This discussion is not about the virus; it's about the LIES, and the way the public readily accepts them.

@Muranoandizumi

Why should the whole nation have to restrict their lives because the NHS is not up to scratch ?

Because it's nothing to do with the NHS being up to scratch or not. Covid spreading at the levels it currently is in the UK is not sustainable for any healthcare system in the world.

Germany are introducing lockdown measures, not to protect the NHS, but to protect their healthcare system which has a lot more capacity than ours. They are doing it at an earlier point in their second peak though so have a bit more of an advantage.

There is zero chance we will be out of lockdown in a month

@Muranoandizumi

Why should the whole nation have to restrict their lives because the NHS is not up to scratch ?

It’s most of the world that are restricting to protect their healthcare systems and citizens. For all its flaws, this isn’t a problem with the NHS. If anything, we are better equipped than some countries.

There is little chance that lockdown will be over in a month. Surely it will continue for quite a few months, perhaps with a day or two off at Christmas.

We waited 3 hrs for him because they were forced to announce it before they were ready because some twat leaked it. Personally I would prefer it if they were given the time and opportunity to get the facts straight before we hear rumours and whisperings from the media.

I suspect it will be longer than a month, last time it was initially a month and it was extended several times. Surely it is better to see how things pan out than release the lockdown too early and go straight back to square one?

@Wanderings I am not pro our corner government, their lies have harmed the fight against covid. Covering up things, the 4 countries working to score point s and not together.
But I stand by my comment of....

Why are we tolerating this? FFS @Wanderings were tolerating it so we don’t see more people die, the NHS can function and people can still access cancer care! They can’t if the hospitals are overrun with covid

'when we will seek to ease restrictions ' =/= ' we will ease restrictions '.

I have no expectation of lock down being lifted by then. I think the best we can hope for by then is a few more shops opening.

They don’t know- I repeat they DONT KNOW! No one does or really possibly can!
They can’t make promises. They only say these things to give people some hope so people go along with it.
It’s like when you try to appease a child with ‘we’ll see’
When you switch your hate from ‘they are shit’ to ‘they don’t know and really no one does’ it changes your mindset.
The failing that really gets my heckles up it track and trace and lack of quick testing.

@Muranoandizumi

Why should the whole nation have to restrict their lives because the NHS is not up to scratch ?

Have you missed the fact that many other countries are also restricting people's lives.... did that pass you by?

So I guess it isn't because the NHS is not up to scratch as you claim!

@Muranoandizumi

Why should the whole nation have to restrict their lives because the NHS is not up to scratch ? Um, because our poorly funded health service is all that stands between us and the prospect of thousands of people choking to death in their own homes or in hospital corridors. We've seen what happens when health services get overwhelmed and it's not pretty. This is much more for you and yours, than for the benefit of an organisation.

We waited 3 hrs for him because they were forced to announce it before they were ready because some twat leaked it.

You do realise it was leaked on purpose don't you.

I would be massively surprised if this ends on 2nd December now they have locked down. I expect it to last until well after xmas, will be months, again, like last time.

"THEY DON'T KNOW".
Is that what Drakeford will say on 9th November, when he categorically stated those restrictions would end on 9th November?
"I was going to end the firebreak lockdown, but I don't know.... "

And once again, I am not saying it's likely we'll be totally out of lockdown on 2nd December; but I do expect many of latest round of restrictions to be gone, even if the whole country is in tier 3. If rolling lockdowns are necessary, fixed end dates would help Boris-destroyed businesses to plan. If we get to 2nd December and nothing changes, especially if the figures are going down, I expect there will be civil unrest, when people realise that Boris has lied yet again.

Well I said I thought the lockdown would be lifted on 2 December to be reimposed in early January.

However, those of you who are campaigning for schools to close had better be very careful what you wish for. If they close now, it might be next September (or Easter if we are lucky) before they reopen. Is that really what you want.

If anything I can only see it getting stricter ie school closures by then. I think at best the children have a month left as school

Poor Boris he is not a scientist etc blame anyone

Poor Boris my arse. He is a lying, scheming, incompetent cockwomble.

@cologne4711

Well I said I thought the lockdown would be lifted on 2 December to be reimposed in early January.

However, those of you who are campaigning for schools to close had better be very careful what you wish for. If they close now, it might be next September (or Easter if we are lucky) before they reopen. Is that really what you want.

Why would schools be closed until next September? Some people really do love to catastrophize!

Daily infection numbers now much higher than daily infection numbers in March, took 3 - 4 months to get them low enough to re-open and that was with all educational settings closed. How will 4 weeks now be enough?

I wonder whether the French lockdown will be over by their deadline? Do they have one? I thought their lockdown was for 4 weeks as well.

@PilatesPeach

Daily infection numbers now much higher than daily infection numbers in March, took 3 - 4 months to get them low enough to re-open and that was with all educational settings closed. How will 4 weeks now be enough?

the real number in March were 100-200k (not clearly known), the real numbers now are 50-100k from the academic surveys.

So not quite as bad.

Donning my tin foil hat. I actually feel a bit sorry for Boris. These are completely unforeseen and unprecedented times of which we have not seen in decades and decades. He’s an absolute bellend but in this case I personally he can’t do right for for doing wrong it seems and believe me I NEVER thought I would feel this way.

The government have provided a lot of financial aid in an extremely unexpected and shockingly now evidently long term Pandemic. Funds are not infinite. Surely that’s not unimaginable and our country and people will be repaying the cost indefinitely very sadly but money does not grow on trees. We have to pull together and all do our bit. As contrite as it bloody sounds it’s just how it has to be. We are all suffering through out this time in all ways, some more than others which is devastating. We are all beyond angry but anger won’t change anything. Complying with the rules hopefully will.

I think this is what will be debated on Thursday in Parliament - the wording on the Regulation that covers this

I think it will be as Boris said - that it will come to an end on DEcember 2nd and it will be up to Parliament to decide to extend rather than Michael Gove picture of review and extend that they had in March legislation. Which from memory was passed very quickly and without going through Parliament.

I think it will be this way because I think the backbenchers will want it and I think Labour will be prepared to back it - Keir Starmer said today without track and trace being created he would see it as a review date but I suspect would want to be part of that review.

Michael Gove would be for it not having an end date because then it would be the government that reviewed it rather than Parliament. I think Parliament fought though to have power over these things so I think it will go back to them

OP, if your house was on fire and the fire brigade said they would put it out in an hour and, if the house was still on fire after an hour, would you say, 'Well, you said it would be out in an hour so I'm going back in'?