No point of lockdown if schools are open?

[HermioneWeasley]

I accept that the first national lockdown was eventually effective at bringing transmission down (at a terrible cost), but with schools open there’s no point in closing down the rest of society and the economy

I disagree OP. It’s all well and good demanding schools shut but what will happen after the 4 weeks?
Ridiculous idea.

Who will work in the nightingales? There’s not enough staff!

General Sec of the NEU on BBC now says by the end of next week infections of children in schools will be higher than the numbers in unis. Apparently m.

@Rhine

Schools can’t close because some mumsnetters need the free childcare they provide in order to pay their mortgages... That’s exactly what has been said on another discussion here today.

Disgusting comment. Just thank yourself lucky that you don’t rely upon schools for childcare. Teachers also rely on other schools for their own kids too!

I do like the look of Ireland and Scotland graphs so far.
I think we do need to focus on keeping hospitals functioning, children in school, and as many people as possible still working.
And then, sadly, we have to stay home.
I feel sorry for some sectors who are facing a huge loss of income, I do hope that they announce further help for them if they really are going for the lockdown.

Amazes me how education is so important yet people consistently criticise the teachers providing their offspring with said education. Although some feel it’s just childcare from threads on here!

The nightingale in Manchester needs staff from the hospital that sends them. Now if that hospital is busy how do they free up staff? This time of year already relies heavily on staff working extra to cover their own wards lack of vacancies filled and/or sickness . Agency maybe? That’ll rack up a massive bill for the already struggling nhs trusts won’t it?!

Move the exams to the autumn. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Won’t happen.

I entirely agree BUT if schools are to remain open they could at least have better Covid safety rules in place. Secondary school pupils and teachers wearing masks for instance, maybe in only on a rota basis to allow for proper distancing etc. I know knockon effect of that will be awful for some families but schools are not safe places at the moment.

@ilovecheese53 but couldn't the exact same argument be made about the other elements of lockdown? What will happen after the 4 weeks?

@surreygirl1987 we are not here to to amend how things are done in schools are we? Whilst people are taking flights all over yes infection rates will be up it’s not just schools.

The 4 weeks will be extended though if things don’t improve it doesn’t make sense to shut schools right now before we have tried to keep them open.

What is your solution for now? I don’t think you and some others understand that hospitals will be overwhelmed to the point they cannot cope any longer.

Um yes I do understand that... I'm pointing out that the safety in schools isn't good enough. It needs to be improved, and fast.... Yes, to limit transmission and ultimately ensure that hospitals don't get overwhelmed. And my solution? Didn't I just suggest ways to lower transmission in schools...? 🤦🤷

As for not being here 'to to amend how things are done in schools'... I'm a teacher. 🤦

And no it's not 'just' schools. Obviously. Did any one claim it is? But they are clearly part of the problem.

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@surreygirl1987

Um yes I do understand that... I'm pointing out that the safety in schools isn't good enough. It needs to be improved, and fast.... Yes, to limit transmission and ultimately ensure that hospitals don't get overwhelmed. And my solution? Didn't I just suggest ways to lower transmission in schools...? 🤦🤷

As for not being here 'to to amend how things are done in schools'... I'm a teacher. 🤦

And no it's not 'just' schools. Obviously. Did any one claim it is? But they are clearly part of the problem.

Ok so your a teacher. Let me give you a different perspective.

People wearing wearing a mask needs to be done correctly the blue ones people where for a START should only be used for a certain amount of hours and they need to be regularly changed ALONG with hand washing!!

I am by NO means against masks but I do wonder about people who walk round the store in their gloves touching everything. Also children who will touch everything then their mask I’m not sure it would work. It’s more complex than just putting a mask on. It needs to be worn properly.

@ChasingRainbows19

Amazes me how education is so important yet people consistently criticise the teachers providing their offspring with said education. Although some feel it’s just childcare from threads on here!

The nightingale in Manchester needs staff from the hospital that sends them. Now if that hospital is busy how do they free up staff? This time of year already relies heavily on staff working extra to cover their own wards lack of vacancies filled and/or sickness . Agency maybe? That’ll rack up a massive bill for the already struggling nhs trusts won’t it?!

School is childcare for many Doctors, Nurses & many other jobs. I hate these comments. What’s your point? Where do teachers leave their “offspring” in order to be able to for fill their teaching job? Do they take them to work?!

Unless you think it only spreads in schools then yes there is a point, less than half of the population either have or are themselves school age children and school age children cannot spread it to granny (or aunt/uncle cousin)if they are not seeing them so yes numbers should still come down even with schools open.

Unless you think it’s only in schools and if so why did countries such as Mexico and India still have huge spread with schools shut?

@Ilovecheese53 I TOTALLY agree with you on that. And that's where education comes in.

Don't worry wrt schools. The lockdown is likely pointless regardless.

If what I read early this morning is correct (my hope is it was a misunderstanding).

We've been told essential travel only....except that it seems this might apply only to us....outbound travel...

If Inbound international travel continues as it has been throughout the pandemic (no checks, no proper quarantine, using busy public transport from the airport) there's little point in the other restrictions. It's not fair on the hospitality industry - to close for nothing.

Very wise words from an aviation expert and frequent flyer, Alex Macheras (retweeted by Professor Devi Sridhar):

It makes zero sense to restrict outbound international travel without implementing border controls, testing & measures to manage the inbound flow of passengers.

(East Asia’s view on UK: Any progress with #Lockdown2 will be wiped out by UK continuing to reimport the virus

Our new 'lockdown' is likely going be a pointless hardship.

Schools in Ireland have got huge amounts of money to deal with covid. I think we got 23000 for term 1 ( 150 kids in the small rural school) We have a full time person employed to wipe door handles/surfaces/ toilets after every break and a rooms cleaned and "fogged" daily.All staff wear mask at all times , only 3 allowed in staffroom, windows are kept open all day and there are two movement breaks to further ventilate the rooms, isolation room for suspected case . I feel safer in school than the supermarket. A bubble is one class and they are divided into pods of 5.
We have had no cases at all. If schools remain open it needs to be done properly.

@switswoo81

Schools in Ireland have got huge amounts of money to deal with covid. I think we got 23000 for term 1 ( 150 kids in the small rural school) We have a full time person employed to wipe door handles/surfaces/ toilets after every break and a rooms cleaned and "fogged" daily.All staff wear mask at all times , only 3 allowed in staffroom, windows are kept open all day and there are two movement breaks to further ventilate the rooms, isolation room for suspected case . I feel safer in school than the supermarket. A bubble is one class and they are divided into pods of 5. We have had no cases at all. If schools remain open it needs to be done properly.

Wow-I had no idea Ireland was doing all that!

What happens within a classroom-do you have a Normal class size of 30 with one teacher? What do the 5 pods look like-are they kept separate from each other?

Totally agree that schools need to close

I strongly disagree as I have on the other 101 threads on this very fucking issue

Why do the schools need to close?

We're going to continue to import Covid. There's no point closing the schools when we're not doing anything to stop the spread.

It is recognised that children under cannot socially distance to they are in groups . The table are arranged that they are kept separate and any equipment has to be sterilised before handed to another group. I teach the youngest class so we soak toys in Milton etc
In the senior classes the pods are not allowed to mix they are grouped in seats. Ideally they should be 2m apart but only 3 of our classrooms can sustain that.
Outside children can socialise as less likely to pass on infected out In the air

Wow. Because we all sat on our backsides doing nothing last time, didn't we? The only tine schools closed this year was during the summer holidays.

Schools were very different to each other in lockdown 1 but DCs had 6 out of 420 children in and provided essentially nothing to the remaining 414 children with no contact at all until July. So yes, some teachers did do nothing and you can see why people might think they should have been on 80% pay like all other furloughed people.

Why should schools close
Have you listened or read the education ministers and Andy Burnham
That's why schools should close