To think those happy about the new lockdown are usually privileged

[NickVanDyke]

Seen many people on Mumsnet and on other social media borderline happy as soon as a second lockdown was leaked.

Am I missing the memo? So many our going to lose their jobs, homes, mental health.

Not to mention the cost of borrowing all this money that our dc and grandkids will have to repay.

I’m just confused how anyone can be happy about this. To me it’s a disaster.

I don't know about privileged, but narrow minded. For every person who thinks keeping the virus down at all costs is a social good, there are plenty of people for whom it is disastrous. And it makes no sense. If three months of lockdown didn't work last time, a so called circuit breaker won't have a significant impact this time. The vast majority of positive tests are from people who are completely symptom free - not even mild symptoms. The number of people going into hospital for Covid is much much lower than last spring, both in total and as a percentage of positive tests. The mortality age for Covid is higher than the all-cause mortality age in a normal year with no Covid and the deaths from respiratory illnesses in October was significantly below the average for October in previous years. There are certain hospitals that struggle every winter because they don't have enough ITU beds for the population they serve, but this has nothing to do with Covid. If you remove Covid diagnoses from the picture there is no evidence of anything unusual going on - it is a fairly average year. This suggests that the pandemic is almost over and will continue to wane without a national lockdown.

Just want to agree with those who have said that this "saving Christmas" thing is just shit. Why is that even a thing at this stage?

I am in Ireland and fully in favour of our lockdown. I would happily go back to the 2km radius we had in March. But I am am one of those people for whom it is so far all an incovenience and bore, and causing me extra expense but which I can manage, not any form of threat. So I understand that other people have very different perspectives.

What a fantastic time to try and create division with your thread, OP. Slow hand clap for you. 👏🏻 Bravo.

I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and get up there and give them the answers , plus all the other leaders in France , Spain , Belgium and Czek Republic , because you obviously have all the solutions . I am sure they would appreciate your input .

Well they could start by talking to Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Melbourne. Even Vietnam has managed this better

picsinred I'm privileged, I'll be just fine - and I'm absolutely furious at the fucking ineptitude and insanity of destroying the entire economy - which actually funds the NHS and funds social services to the poor - to "save" the NHS the Nightingales aren't even in full swing.

Boris has lost the plot and needs to go.

This^ I don’t give a crap about Christmas. Those losing jobs will have a terrible Christmas.

I agree OP, we have gone through all our savings now and are on UC. My husbands work was just starting to pick up again but if we have another lockdown this will go.

I will back it and follow the advice as I know it’s for the greater good but I do worry about the fallout,

In many ways we are lucky as we have UC and this will pay the rent, council tax and other essential bills. Bloody nightmare if you do r have this safety net or are not entitled to it for some reason.

I might make an inane comment about “making the best of things” but in reality it’s horrendous.

My Dad has dementia, my Mum is his Carer and she struggles. I am Carer for my autistic son and we both need support from others at times,

Not going to be easy,

Anyone who is happy about it is definitely truly vile and selfish, privileged and delusional probably.

I will back it and follow the advice as I know it’s for the greater good but I do worry about the fallout

I’m truly not convinced of this

Or someone who is extremely clinically vulnerable and will breathe a sigh of relief that the risk of orphaning their young child is greatly reduced.

Ortam you think (a) hundreds of thousands of people will die from covid and (b) those deaths can be completely averted with strict social distancing? No and no.

The stated aim of governments worldwide is to spread out the covid deaths not stop them.

A vaccine may be available to some in coming months, which might reduce some deaths but there's no guarantee for everyone. No government anywhere is saying their country should shut up shop until after a covid vaccine is widely taken up by their populace.

@mollypuss1....I agree with you and I’m not seeking any pity here. There are people worse off than me. My DD could be dead and she’s not (I use that fact as comfort).....but trust me, this is a long long way from ‘happy’ which the OP said. And actually for what it’s worth happiness feels beyond reach right now.

Or someone who is extremely clinically vulnerable and will breathe a sigh of relief that the risk of orphaning their young child is greatly reduced.

Have you seen the recent London ambulance figures about suicide? Some of those people will have had children too.

I think this is an unecessarily inflamatory title.

Do you not think that even very successful people are being hit hard too?

My friend has been forced to put her 5 bed house on the market and probably will have to pull her 2 DD from their private school in GCSE year...as her pilot husband has been made redundant and cannot find another job....she is vulnerable but is a nurse and has gone back to help out....l am sure it doesn't feel rosy to them.

2 other families with previously sucessful entertainment businesses l know are on the verge of bankrupcy, houses will be forced sales, children pulled from schools and friends.......having to lay off long term staff...they will have nothing left.

It is very ignorant to assume this virus only affects some.

Any idiot who posts about their cosy lockdown is just an umbecile, priviledged or not.

Lets not make this difficult time a war on wealth.

@Dragongirl10 by privileged people mean those for whom lockdown makes no difference to their income. That sounds shit

@justanotherneighinparadise

I’m always very suspicious about the people constantly calling for school closures. They either have no kids, are teachers or have anxiety issues surrounding their children/are vulnerable themselves. Everyone I know is DESPERATE for schools to stay open.

Or perhaps they can see the obvious fact that schools are one of the main places that infections occur. See the thread titled "secondary schools are fucked".

@SistemaAddict

Or someone who is extremely clinically vulnerable and will breathe a sigh of relief that the risk of orphaning their young child is greatly reduced.

How will they feel if they need treatment for their clinical vulnerability but get turned away because the NHS is delaying so much because of lockdowns?

@NorthGirl2

Some of us are glad of a lockdown because we realise how serious Covid is and we would rather work from home and be safe than continue being forced to work with idiots who don't wear masks. But sure, get mad at anyone who is financially more secure than you. How dare they be happy for themselves.

Is this a wind up?

You do realise not everyone has a job where they can work from home, don't you?

And even your job may not be that financially secure - it's a domino effect and will affect most industries eventually.

If you open your eyes and read the original post you'll see it's a question about people like me. That is why I answered from my point of view. I am not entirely unaware of the world and people around me, unlike you.

Thank you for your concern but mine and my husband's jobs are very secure and are likely to be for a very long time. I can only hope you are in the same situation, or find yourself in it soon.

Best wishes.

We are in a privileged position, we are by no means rich or super wealthy but we do own our quite big apartment, a mix of hard work and a bit of help from my parents, and our jobs allow us to wfh and (touch wood) seem safe for now.

I do not support a lockdown. I am terribly worried about the economy, about the people losing their jobs. We tried to help, and we still do by ordering food, eating out, spending money at the salon. I am also worried about children and education, I am worried about the impact on the mental health which I think is going to be so much bigger than covid.

i have a fairly well paid job and can WFH and I'm about as secure as anyone

and I'm fuming and depressed in equal measure about the impending increase in restrictions. I think it's a massive over reaction and the only thing it will achieve is mass unemployment and all the shit that comes with millions of people losing their jobs.

I don’t know anyone happy about another lockdown. Our jobs are secure but I’m fully aware that the community I live in will be hugely affected and I worry for those around me. I just want to hibernate but I will have to go to work. I’m in a hospital and first time we were full of adrenaline and blitz spirit but now we’re all completely knackered.

Yep, given prospect of losing livelihood / home changes people’s perspective

@AlecTrevelyan006 Liverpool’s main hospital has more than 400 covid patients meaning other people cannot get treatment as covid is acute and requires immediate attention. Other hospitals are becoming the same. At what point would you suggest we keep ignoring it?

Don’t you think there’s an element of people trying to make the best of the situation? People need to do this for their mental wellbeing.

@happygolucy

wow, maybe one day your "secure" jobs will be anything but. You might have a bit more compassion for your fellow citizens. Maybe not. You come across as selfish, entitled and arrogant.

Agree completely it’s a huge disaster