Anyone else just thinking 'for fucks sake'

[Pearsapiece]

Just seen the news about a 4pm new conference. I think we all know what this is going to be. And I'm just fucking fed up.

I work in an area that is very indirectly affected by the covid restrictions but it is crippling us. If people are out driving, there is no work for us. I work in car insurance... Claims to be exact. No travel, no crash, no claims.
The furlough scheme has just ended and the job support scheme requires a certain amount of work from those participating. So a second lockdown would mean very little work and therefore redundancy.
I am pregnant with dc2, waiting to buy Xmas and baby bits until we get some more money which now looks like it won't come in.
I can't do anything about it, no one can, but I'm fucking fed up of this shit. I'd still rather have the lockdown than the worst case scinario of deaths but it's still shit.
And if I'm told to shield, we'll that will just be the cherry on top of the shit mental health cake.
Anyone else need a massive rant about their own situation being shit?

Awful but necessary.
Having had a school colleague die, staff and children frequently testing positive, a colleague with a very ill (Covid) baby and colleagues and pupils with long term post COVID conditions we don't have a choice but to be thankful for our own health and to take the best care of those we love.

@Maze76

Yes it’s a crap situation- please go tell the chief science and medical officers what we need to do. There are countries where there is no such thing as the NHS, maternity care, clean water. In some countries they are not only dealing with COVID, but war and famine, ethnic cleansing. Yeah, I’m sick of it too ... but I count my blessings. A little inconvenience but I’m alive and thankfully not touched by this horrible virus.

I'm not sure if it's "a little inconvenience" for people losing their livelihoods.

I work in car insurance... Claims to be exact. No travel, no crash, no claims

Which was my argument to my insurers for a lower premium - didn't work though! (caveat - I am sure you're very nice OP).

People are losing their jobs and homes..and dying for things which are not being treated. That is far from an inconvenience...

I'd rather have the deaths than lost livelihoods. Where do people think the money will keep coming from.

@loulouljh

People are losing their jobs and homes..and dying for things which are not being treated. That is far from an inconvenience...

Exactly.

I am lucky as I can wfh in a secure(ish) job. But that doesn't stop me recognising how utterly fucking devastating another lockdown will be for people. The inevitable fall out which will not just be inconvenient, it will be life altering and, for some, life ending.

@loulouljh yeah well in mumsnet world its all zero sum. Lose your job and your house but that's fine because you're safe from a virus with a 99.7% chance of survival. And long covid is post viral fatigue. Seems like the existence of disease comes as a total chick to most of the population. Meanwhile the third world gets on with life because they don't have the money for this self indulgence.

If SAGE is right it will be deaths+++ without drastic measures. And will the economy really be better afterwards?

Without a decent T&T and with the loss of public trust and low compliance its going to be bad whatever is decided in Downing Street.

Totally agree op totally agree

SAGE hasn't been right so far and we are not given the full figures. We're given facts that support the narrative. The drama of 90% bed occupancy in Liverpool looks a bit different when you discover it's roughly that every other year in October too. I was OK with the measures for a while but wholesale closure of shops and loss of peoples businesses cannot be justified with no data being collated to present the cost of the lives saved. People who die have an average age of 82. Death is always sad, but it does make a difference who it affects if you're breaking the lives of the working majority for a small number of people. It's not a fucking inconvenience.

@Tootletum
agree entirely. Scientists are infallible. Decisions are politically motivated and driven by mass public opinion. And for what - an illness that is mild for the vast majority of people.

I work in health and social care and despite the fact we have been so busy, and its been so stressful with the constant worrying, I am so grateful to have a job.

We coped in the summer by taking DS, who has severe ASD, out every day, but he doesnt like the cold so I dont know how I am going to cope this time. I know he will be at school but he is going to be like a coiled spring for a whole month.

“”I work in an area that is very indirectly affected by the covid restrictions but it is crippling us. If people are out driving, there is no work for us. I work in car insurance... Claims to be exact. No travel, no crash, no claims”””

Lovely, how nice for us all, you hoping we all have accidents so you can work

Thanks

Surely a lockdown is the best way to ensure the NHS isn't overwhelmed and treatments for other illnesses can continue? So those worried about people needing treatment for diseases like cancer should be supportive of a lockdown?

I'd rather have the deaths than lost livelihoods. Where do people think the money will keep coming from

Really? Is that your own death or a death of your parents, partner or child...or just the death of anyone else unknown to you? @Tootletum

@TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair

I agree. I don't want lots of people to die, I don't want NHS staff to be under massive pressure but I think so many people can't take much more. This is going to be very hard for a lot of people and everyone is exhausted as it is.

^ completely agree with this

It really is shit OP

@forthplace absolutely fine with me or my family dying. Why would I hold that opinion if I wasn't.

I agree it's awful. I think without a lockdown it will get even worse. Once the hospitals are turning people away, people will lock themselves down. The economic damage seems inescapable but we can take measures to reduce deaths.

@forthplace also the central point that lockdowns are not no deaths seems to be passing you by. Deaths of different causes, over different time periods. Poverty causes a great deal of death. As does suicide, missed cancer diagnosis, heart disease, strokes, alcoholism. But I'm sure you just look at the context free figures presented to you and think it's all very frightening.

No tootletum having just had a TA die and seeing the devastation to pupils, family, colleagues and the community, I would prefer to be in poverty.

Each to their own, you would prefer to be financially and economically secure but have those you love die, I would prefer the opposite.
I wish those that respect the rules had that choice.

@Tootletum if we want hospitals to be able to treat people with cancer, heart disease, strokes and alcohol related disease, we'll need to make sure they're not overwhelmed, surely? I understand there are a whole load of trade offs going on, but I can't understand why it'd be lockdown that stops those non-Covid illnesses being treated? Lockdown will help protect those services I'd have thought.

Yep. I've been taking it one day at a time, just repeating that mantra over and over again but I'm not sure how many more one days I can take ☹️ I'm not even financially effected by the covid restrictions, my job is safe as is DH's. But my mental health is circling the drain.