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Why is MN the only place that seems to pessimistic about a vaccine?!

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bottomsup00 · 27/10/2020 08:52

Been lurking on this board for a while.

Every time a vaccine is mentioned people seem to dismiss it, or say things like “it’s not a silver bullet” “it won’t save us” “things won’t go back to normal”

In real life, most people I speak to seem so positive about a vaccine.
Everyone I speak to understands it will take take to roll out to everyone and accepts this, but believes the vaccine approval will happen and fairly soon.

What makes a lot of people on here feel the opposite way?

Pessimists? Or anti vaxer?

OP posts:
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/10/2020 16:40

Terrific post, GoldenOmber.

Sb2012 · 28/10/2020 16:43

@GoldenOmber

I understand the worry about people thinking vaccines will work like magic (vaccine approved on Monday, everyone gets it by Wednesday, pandemic over by the weekend!)

At this point though I’m not sure there is that much unfounded optimism around, and I’m more concerned about the effects of squashing down hope. We need hope - not only for our own mental health, but to get people to stick with the restrictions currently in place until we can replace them with a vaccine.

People are currently sticking with restrictions in the awareness that these are temporary, that they won’t be over immediately but that they will be over in the not-too-distant figure, and vaccines are one of the things that will get us there. Too many dire warnings about how vaccines “won’t be a magic bullet”, might not work that well, might not stop infection, might not stop the spread of the pandemic, won’t replace masks and social distancing, and on and on, risks getting people to believe that there’s no point even taking a vaccine (after all, if it won’t even work that well and it won’t replace masks and distancing, why bother?), which is really not going to help. Also, and possibly worse, it’ll lead people to start thinking “well if even the vaccines aren’t going to get us out of this, I am not going along with all these restrictions any more, I’m going to go and hug my mum.”

Yes vaccines probably won’t be perfect, might need yearly injections, might just reduce symptoms and infectivity rather than totally eliminate them. But even that would be brilliant. We could turn Covid into flu, or a cold! We could drastically reduce the rate of people getting infected! That would go a long long way to getting us back to our normal lives.

We don’t need a perfect vaccine, right now, we just need a vaccine that will have some effect (which any of them will or they wouldn’t be licensed). We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good here, and we shouldn’t kid on to ourselves that nothing will really improve much until perfect arrives.

Perfectly said how I feel right now
dollychopss · 28/10/2020 16:47

@MadameBlobby

What annoys me is the “mark my words, there will never be a vaccine” uttered as fact by people who don’t have a clue.
This !! To be honest no one has a clue ...... even people that work in pharma the only people that know are the scientists !
BlueBlancmange · 28/10/2020 16:51

@GoldenOmber I agree that's a great post. The weird thing is it seems some people would prefer to think there will never be a vaccine and so we should just get back to normal now while being totally vulnerable to the virus, than think there will be one in a few months that will make life much safer and we just have to hold off for a bit longer.

dollychopss · 28/10/2020 17:09

@GoldenOmber one of the most sensible posts I have read in a long time x

Sunshinegirl82 · 28/10/2020 17:44

@GoldenOmber

I completely agree. We really do need to be realistic about how long people will keep social distancing up for. I think the honest answer to that is "not that much longer". I really cannot see people being able to maintain the status quo for more than another 6 months or so.

We will get more compliance for longer if people think there is some sort of finishing line in sight.

ForBlueSkies · 28/10/2020 18:00

There’s nothing more dangerous than thwarted hope, though.

Better to have clear-eyed, realistic expectations when planning for the future. I’m not banking on a vaccine to keep me safe when the bar has been set so low for success and there will be limited supply.

Sunshinegirl82 · 28/10/2020 18:12

@ForBlueSkies

I think the reality is though, if vaccines and/or treatments don't make a big difference fairly soon then we will just see a complete abandonment of the restrictions within a fairly short time frame. This isn't sustainable. It's not because people are generally selfish or stupid (although some are!) but the restrictions are contrary to human nature and so really hard.

My personal view is the SD will have ended by next summer either because a vaccine has enabled us to drop it or because people will simply stop complying. I might be wrong and people will keep this up for years but I doubt out.

jasjas1973 · 28/10/2020 22:47

@Sunshinegirl82

How Pandemics end.

www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html

a: medical b: when the population are fed up with the restrictions.

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