Is daughter safe to come home?

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Daughter who is away at university has had coronavirus. She is out of isolation tomorrow according to the government advice and is allowed to go back into uni and carry on life as normal.

She is desperate to come home for a few days visit as she has been very unhappy since leaving home in early September, then even more miserable with coronavirus and isolation.

Is she safe to come home this week?

@Grobagsforever
Get your facts right before attacking someone. If you’re a student in Tier 3, then the guidance is that you shouldn’t return home during term time. Read up and educate yourself.

@Porcupineinwaiting

Reinfection with COVID is pretty much an established fact now and not really that uncommon although infections tend to be months apart- I've never heard of back to back . The reason only six cases have been proven worldwide is that to "prove" a true reinfection you need someone to sequence the viral genome for the first and second infections to show that they are different. Anyone here had the viral genome if their first infection sequenced? No? Well, if you catch it again in 6 months you wont be a proven case if reinfection either.

If you are happy to accept 2 positive tests, months apart, as "proof" of reinfection then there are plenty of cases world wide.

I am not even happy to accept a positive test as a "case" to be honest.

Since when did a case of an illness need to be tested to see if they had it and showed no symptoms?

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Grobagsforever
Get your facts right before attacking someone. If you’re a student in Tier 3, then the guidance is that you shouldn’t return home during term time. Read up and educate yourself.[/quote]
Tbh I would t give a flying fig what tier they was in.

If any of my kids needed to come home I’d go and get them. Through this we still have to remember our humanity. We’re not compliant robots.

Well if you wont even accept a positive test as proof of COVID @Tiredeyesneedsleep then no wonder you wont recognize reinfection as a thing. I thought the point of testing was to show that the symptoms one was experiencing were caused by this particular coronavirus rather than, say, flu - but maybe you dont believe in that either?

@Porcupineinwaiting

Well if you wont even accept a positive test as proof of COVID *@Tiredeyesneedsleep* then no wonder you wont recognize reinfection as a thing. I thought the point of testing was to show that the symptoms one was experiencing were caused by this particular coronavirus rather than, say, flu - but maybe you dont believe in that either?

You know most people being tested and giving positive results don't have symptoms of any kind right?

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Grobagsforever
Get your facts right before attacking someone. If you’re a student in Tier 3, then the guidance is that you shouldn’t return home during term time. Read up and educate yourself.[/quote]
Yes @LadyPenelope68 it's the GUIDELINES

Not the law. Get your facts right before posting.

Does the erosion of civil liberties not concern you at all?

You know most people being tested and giving positive results don't have symptoms of any kind right?

So why are they being tested if they don’t have symptoms?

And I seriously doubt that it’s most people.

Through this we still have to remember our humanity. We’re not compliant robots.

I think far too many people have forgotten this.

@ThornAmongstRoses

You know most people being tested and giving positive results don't have symptoms of any kind right?

So why are they being tested if they don’t have symptoms?

And I seriously doubt that it’s most people.

Track and trace. Routine testing at work. The need to travel to a country that requires a negative test prior to arrival.

Someone in Guernsey tested prior to travel last week. Guernsey is covid free so they thought it was a done deal.

Poorive test. Track and trace tested 70 more. No 7 positive cases, not a symltom in sight.

Given the scaremongering on here and the fact that they have been mass gatherings, no masks, schools and workplaces as normal and no social distancing since June I would expect their whole population to be wiped out.

@Grobagsforever
Your name comes up constantly in these COVID threads as anti everything that protects people or what people are doing to try and prevent the spread. I’ll consider myself a responsible human being......unlike you.

There are no actual laws governing travel between tiers and even if there were we cannot let this country get to a point where we don't let children travel home

There are laws that restrict being indoors with another household, this would apply here - the student is now part of a different household, there are also laws preventing travel in Wales.

So yes, we are already past that point, conveniently pretending that students are part of two households is not what the law says.

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Grobagsforever
Your name comes up constantly in these COVID threads as anti everything that protects people or what people are doing to try and prevent the spread. I’ll consider myself a responsible human being......unlike you.[/quote]
I'm the responsible human here, actually watching out for the erosion of our freedoms.

Most ppl are so cosseted they don't realise the risks. Thankfully some of us look past the end of our noses.

I follow the rules, I protect others but I will not support these vicious local
Lockdowns, the vast majority of which happening in non Tory areas.

A friend’s DC at uni in Tier 2 came home to Tier 1 at the weekend. The uni advised all the students NOT to go home due to obviously different households mixing indoors/rule of 6, etc. This is hard because If I was the said parent, I would allow my DC to come home. I suspect learning will go online which would be even more rubbish for those courses which are directly hands on. This academic year will be the one that suffers the most IMO.

@Grobagsforever
I'm the responsible human here, actually watching out for the erosion of our freedoms.
Get real and get a life.

I wouldn't even hesitate, regardless of tiers, etc. If my daughter needs us she can come home any time. Nobody is keeping my 18y away from her family home.

I have recently had COVID. My 10 days are up. I didn't have a raised temperature (never did bar for an hour) so that means I am free to go out, return to work, etc if I feel up to it. I am not classed as being contagious. Hopefully I also have some level of immunity at this point, even if it isn't overly long lived.

@Mookie81

I'm tired of reading all these threads of people questioning whether or not to leave their children alone and isolated when there is no need. What the hell has this virus done to parents? A student at the uni in my hometown killed themselves the other week due to MH issues from being alone. If your child wants to home let them for God's sake!

I have to agree with this, but then I have an 18 year old DD who has had severe mental health issues throughout her teenage years and who is now in her first year at uni.

I guess the most logical time for your DD to come home will be for a long weekend at the end of this week, and that should be fine.

This is my difficulty with all of this shit around Covid restrictions. I would never, ever consider telling one of my children that they couldn't come home to me. Wherever they are, I consider that this is their home too and they are always welcome here.

I suspect I am not alone with that.

@MadameBlobby

If she’s able to go about her normal business I’d let her come home.

The government are way over stepping the mark with things like talk about “allowing” students home for Christmas. They are our children not theirs, they don’t own us.

I absolutely agree here, and this will also be my stance at the end of this term (not too long now) when my DD will come home for Christmas, whatever tier we are all in, and whatever the ridiculous government says.

This is my difficulty with all of this shit around Covid restrictions. I would never, ever consider telling one of my children that they couldn't come home to me. Wherever they are, I consider that this is their home too and they are always welcome here

I suspect I am not alone with that

I'm sure you're not. My oldest daughter is only one year younger and I can't imagine feeling differently to you in just one year's time. And yet, we are now in the crazy position where the law (if either parent or student is in tier 2 and 3) says differently. This would have been unbelievable a year ago but here we are.

I do understand the need for the law. If everyone ignores it and all the students travel as they please between their university home and their parents' home then some middle aged adults will get seriously ill and a few will die.

But I also understand people's reluctance to follow the law. It is very unlikely to be you (general you) who are the unlucky ones who end up facing long term family illness or tragedy.

But it will be someone. Russian Roulette. There has to be at least 'guidance' in place. Whether it should then be up to individuals whether to take the risk or not, I'm not sure. We are too interconnected to rule out the risk of infecting others who haven't taken the informed decision to allow that risk. So I'm on the fence between law and guidance.

Having said all that, of course a young person who is genuinely suicidal or experiencing significant mental health problems is more of a risk than passing on Covid is. There will always be good and bad reasons for breaking a law/rule and that would be a good one. But I think the vast majority of students actually don't fall into that category. There are many shades of bored, fed up, wanting to come home, lonely, anxious and sad before you get to mentally not coping.

Rubbish that she can't catch it again. I was only watching the news this morning which was saying that research suggests you are not immune if you have had it, you can catch it again and people are.

@studychick81

Rubbish that she can't catch it again. I was only watching the news this morning which was saying that research suggests you are not immune if you have had it, you can catch it again and people are.

Yeah six people out of 43 MILLION cases ffs! Get a grip

Rubbish that she can't catch it again. I was only watching the news this morning which was saying that research suggests you are not immune if you have had it, you can catch it again and people are.

The VAST majority do not get reinfected. And even the BBC article mentions T cells as potential protectors.

*This is my difficulty with all of this shit around Covid restrictions. I would never, ever consider telling one of my children that they couldn't come home to me. Wherever they are, I consider that this is their home too and they are always welcome here.

I suspect I am not alone with tha*t.

No you're not alone. think some people underestimate how tough it is for Uni freshers this year. It can be a very lonely and isolating experience!

@Mookie81

I'm tired of reading all these threads of people questioning whether or not to leave their children alone and isolated when there is no need. What the hell has this virus done to parents? A student at the uni in my hometown killed themselves the other week due to MH issues from being alone. If your child wants to home let them for God's sake!

I am not saying she can't come home just asking opinions on how soon. It just seems a bit concerning the government saying she is safe to come back yet only a few days ago she had symptoms so I don't want to put the rest of the family at risk too soon.

We are both in tier 1.

But has she actually tested positive? She had a test. What were the results?