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Ecosse · 26/10/2020 19:14

I would hope shielding would be reintroduced before ‘tier 4’ is implemented. That would be a much more cost-effective way of reducing hospital admissions.

Keepdistance · 26/10/2020 19:42

Tbh i think lots of people need the stick of school closing to stop their socialising (having playdates in their houses and cars so not SD).

Cuppachino · 26/10/2020 20:03

Hollyhobbi

Yeah I'm in Donegal, trying to stop people from here going in to the north and them coming in here is a bit of a nightmare. Lots of people using the rural back roads to break the travel restrictions, they just don't give a shit. The Derry/Strabane area was an outrageous number of infections but thankfully they're coming down.

monkeytennis97 · 26/10/2020 20:03

@Keepdistance

Tbh i think lots of people need the stick of school closing to stop their socialising (having playdates in their houses and cars so not SD).

I think you are right.

Bettyboop82 · 26/10/2020 20:13

My household has all had it, very mild symptoms but confirmed by testing. Surely we are no threat to anyone now and no one is a threat to us. I’m sick of living like this. Isolated with 2 young children and a baby month after month with nothing to look forward to and nowhere to go. We are in tier 3 and it’s shit. We are complying with the rules but I don’t know how much longer I can do this. Surely if you’ve had it you can just ‘get in with life’? Am I wrong in thinking this way?

ripples101 · 26/10/2020 20:23

The different tiers approach is I feel self defeating.

People now are worried about being in tier 3.

The area they live in then goes into tier 4.

A few weeks later, the area they live in drops back down to tier 3.

The people in that area are now happy about dropping down to tier 3.

Who were the same people who were previously worried about being in tier 3.

All this will ever do is create a vicious circle.

The government hasn’t got a clue.

Hollyhobbi · 26/10/2020 21:42

Tbf no government has got a clue. This is uncharted territory. Unless we were to go all New Zealand which wouldn't work.

Torvean32 · 26/10/2020 23:53

@MaxNormal

People have got total lockdown fatigue, of course they have. What else did anyone expect? You can't keep making people's lives a misery indefinitely.

Ppl in England have had much less restrictions than Scotland. Maybe if there was short enforced lockdowns in high case areas, things would have worked better.

Babyroobs · 27/10/2020 00:34

@littlefatso

its because people are NOT following the rules and the rules are not enforced . I am Tier 3, we have been in some kind of lockdown most of this year and the cases are rising not falling. The rules seem to mean nothing to people up here. We need a strong clampdown and proper lockdown.

It's crazy. I only go out to walk the dog and to the supermarket but even in the supermarket people come right up close behind me and I have to ask them to back off, gangs of people chatting in groups and block the path when I'm walking the dogs . I have a friend with a baby just goes to different groups every single day. No one seems to be minimizing contact or keeping their distance. I have heard of so many people testing positive. Sixty kids at my dd's school having to isolate, my ds2's friends at Uni all positive, Ds1 had to get a test today because housemates gf is positive. It's just everywhere.

Babyroobs · 27/10/2020 00:36

@Bettyboop82

My household has all had it, very mild symptoms but confirmed by testing. Surely we are no threat to anyone now and no one is a threat to us. I’m sick of living like this. Isolated with 2 young children and a baby month after month with nothing to look forward to and nowhere to go. We are in tier 3 and it’s shit. We are complying with the rules but I don’t know how much longer I can do this. Surely if you’ve had it you can just ‘get in with life’? Am I wrong in thinking this way?

I just read somewhere that immunity only lasts a couple of months ? So unless you had it very recently I would think you could still be a risk to others?

3littlewords · 27/10/2020 03:22

I'm in tier 3 area from what I can see its households mixing and people not isolating that's causing the infection to spread no amount of further business closures are going to stop that.
Children are playing out who should be isolating, people with clear symptoms not getting tested so they and their families dont need to take time off work to isolate because they can't afford it, leaving false contact details to avoid isolating before the QR code came in, whole families supposedly exempt from wearing a mask, people having birthday parties and sleepovers.
It would be a shame if restaurants, hairdressers/beauty salons, gyms or libraries had to close when they are working so hard to be as safe as possible.

PhilCornwall1 · 27/10/2020 04:49

but a vaccine is so close, we could save loads of lives by locking down now until a vaccine, THEN rebuild the economy

A vaccine is as close as Dido Harding running test and trace (or whatever the fuck it's called this week) in an efficient manner.

So, we lock down until there is a vaccine, how do you propose the economy is rebuilt and how long will that take?

shitonitbambinos · 27/10/2020 07:11

@Bettyboop82

My household has all had it, very mild symptoms but confirmed by testing. Surely we are no threat to anyone now and no one is a threat to us. I’m sick of living like this. Isolated with 2 young children and a baby month after month with nothing to look forward to and nowhere to go. We are in tier 3 and it’s shit. We are complying with the rules but I don’t know how much longer I can do this. Surely if you’ve had it you can just ‘get in with life’? Am I wrong in thinking this way?

@Bettyboop82 antibodies only last a short time. The fact you've had it doesn't mean anything really. Your approach isn't the right way to think about it.

Coronavirus: Herd immunity hopes dashed as study shows COVID-19 antibodies fall rapidly after recovery news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-herd-immunity-hopes-dashed-as-study-shows-covid-19-antibodies-fall-rapidly-after-recovery-12115510

RaspberryCoulis · 27/10/2020 07:54

@littlefatso

its because people are NOT following the rules and the rules are not enforced . I am Tier 3, we have been in some kind of lockdown most of this year and the cases are rising not falling. The rules seem to mean nothing to people up here. We need a strong clampdown and proper lockdown.

Yup. Because locking people into their houses worked SO well in Spain, didn't it?

sonnenscheins · 27/10/2020 08:03

Sooner or later it'll be 'Tier 10- shot on the spot if you leave your home.'

I agree, it's ridiculous.

Who is going to pay for all these closures and lockdowns? Our poor children and grandchildren!

sonnenscheins · 27/10/2020 08:08

Regarding immunity, the quoted Sky article concludes:

"What is not clear is how quickly antibody levels would rise again if a person encounters the virus a second time.
"It is possible they will still rapidly respond, and either have a milder illness, or remain protected through immune memory.
"So even if the rapid antibody test is no longer positive, the person may still be protected from re-infection."
The study, which is yet to be peer reviewed, only measured antibodies.
It is possible that another arm of the immune system called T-cells, may remain active, but there is currently no available test for them.