Vaccine for health care staff

[MiaMarshmallows]

Anyone else very pleased by this?
Reported in the Independent newspaper that all NHS staff will be vaccinated from early December

It’s great they’ve put a system in place for this but it still relies on a vaccine being available by then. The articles all say more likely to be available early 2021 but should they be available sooner the roll out plans are being put in place.

Personally I would have prioritised some of the vulnerable over NHS staff who won’t be dealing with COVID patients.

@Ecosse if healthcare workers are protected the NHS can begin to get back to normal and vulnerable people able to access treatment again. Looks like they are on the priority list after NHS so it wouldn’t be long until they get it too.

Surprised not more people are excited by this. Surely by months we can all have the vaccine and life can return to normal.

Life will not be returning to normal. There will still be social distancing.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-54371559

Not everybody will get the vaccine.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-when-uk-population-age-b791949.html%3famp

The head of the immunisation programme added: "People keep talking about 'time to vaccinate the whole population' but that is misguided. There is going to be no vaccination of people under 18.

"It's an adult-only vaccine for people over 50 focusing on health workers and care home workers and the vulnerable.

They don’t know that it works yet. This is just gearing up in anticipation that it does. There is absolutely no guarantee it’ll happen in December, or that the Oxford vaccine will be shown to work at all. It’s good they’re getting things in place but I wouldn’t start counting any chickens just yet.

I think a lot of people are saving their excitement to see if it actually comes to fruition, lots of 'in case' plans don't seem to come to anything, and given the mess the gov seems to make of everything, not convinced by a roll out plan either.

It’ll be a bigger deal when the results are in. But yes great to prepare

They’re close but need to unblind trial still

I have high hopes and am very pleased

@Funkypolar

Life will not be returning to normal. There will still be social distancing.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-54371559

Not everybody will get the vaccine.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-when-uk-population-age-b791949.html%3famp

The head of the immunisation programme added: "People keep talking about 'time to vaccinate the whole population' but that is misguided. There is going to be no vaccination of people under 18.

"It's an adult-only vaccine for people over 50 focusing on health workers and care home workers and the vulnerable.

The vaccines are not just for the over 50s. The vaccine will be rolled out hopefully from December onwards. I've been told this by a consultant involved in vaccination study. There are 3 closed to the final stages so yes i think ppl should be hopeful.

For those who dont vaccinate you may find that restrictions are put on you especially regarding travel.

I saw an article today detailing a memo to staff at George Eliot Hospital in Warwickshire, that stated they should be ready to begin vaccinating staff from early December

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-known-before-end-of-year-fauci-1.4390927

They don’t even know if it’ll affect those over 70

So it may be pointless as the vast majority at risk are over 70

In which case it won’t go ahead they sad this morning on bbc

We've been told that they are hoping to start vaccinations from December if all goes well, but it will be the vulnerable first, then HCP's. I'm happy to have it.

I think the memo released today is being over emphasised due to slow news day

It’s a month old and they always said from December onwards

They’ve never once said it would actually be December and gov updates have suggested more spring time

Seemed quite certain that there was a vaccine now available, ready to be rolled out from December though...

That's good NHS and care home workers are priority for the vaccine first. As a Care assistant in a residential home and dealing covid residents is hard work and very stressful

@MiaMarshmallows

Seemed quite certain that there was a vaccine now available, ready to be rolled out from December though...

The article says nothing of the sort and you are being deliberately misleading by saying so. Please read what the article says. There are no approved vaccines, and as the tests haven't been unblinded they have no idea if there will be.

@MiaMarshmallows

Seemed quite certain that there was a vaccine now available, ready to be rolled out from December though...

Can you link to where that has been said? Everything I can find says vaccine trial results expected in the next few months with earliest rollout of vaccine starting December if the vaccine is successful. Most likely January though. There’s no news that a vaccine has become available anywhere.

It's an adult only vaccine for people over 50
Incredibly concerning if true. The risk of serious illness or death starts at 45, not 50.
There's also Long Covid - a risk to all.

I do hope that frontline staff and the vulnerable are prioritised. It would be wrong if MPs jumped the queue (the young healthy ones at least).

I don’t know why you keep referring to 45 year olds being at risk of death @SheepandCow. It is just nonsense.

The true death rate from COVID is very difficult to estimate due to the large number of asymptomatic cases.

But if we look at somewhere like South Korea that has done lots of testing, the fatality rate for a 45 year old would be somewhere around 0.1%. This will depend on health conditions so for a healthy 45 year old it will be even lower- possibly at around 0.05%.

A 45 year old has a 0.03% chance of dying in a year on average. So the risk of a healthy 45 year old not only catching COVID but then going on to die from it is less than the risk of them dying from another cause in an average year.

Minutes of the 48th SAGE (the scientific experts) meeting. They refer to the risks increasing for the over 40s, particularly from 45.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/921187/S0656_Forty-eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf

We're not South Korea. They took effective containment measures.

@SheepandCow

Containment measures do not affect the death rate. South Korea has managed to deal with the virus effectively (without a lockdown I may add) but that does not change the likelihood of a 45 year old who catches COVID dying from it.

The fact that the U.K. has had a greater number of deaths has nothing to do with the death rate of individuals.

I'm too tired tonight, what with the clocks going back, to bother explaining why you're so wrong @Ecosse. Then again even you must see how what you're saying doesn't make sense? Of course containment makes a difference to your chances of catching it!
I'll wish you goodnight.

@SheepandCow

The death rate refers to an individual’s likelihood of dying once they’ve caught the virus. So a death rate of 0.1% means that a 45 year old who catches coronavirus has a 0.1% chance of dying.

The death rate has nothing to do with the number of cases. Whether you have 1000 cases or 1 million cases, the death rate is still 0.1%.

It is true that quality of healthcare can affect death rate. But that was not an issue for 45 year olds in the U.K.

@Ginogineli

They don’t even know if it’ll affect those over 70

So it may be pointless as the vast majority at risk are over 70

In which case it won’t go ahead they sad this morning on bbc

The BBC are wrong if they said that. If that was the case the vaccination trials would be focused on ppl 70 years upwards. The results from the Oxford trial and Novovax trial have been very promising. There's also a vaccination by pfizer, all are in the final stages of testing.