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Now we know why the govt were suppressing the schools infection data

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noblegiraffe · 22/10/2020 20:03

...because for secondary it’s very worrying.

They choose to release it the day before we break up for half term, too late for any circuit breaker like the other U.K. countries.

They’ve quietly removed the assertion that schools aren’t high risk settings from the guidance. At what point are they going to start to be honest about the risks, particularly in sixth forms and colleges?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/928749/Weekly_COVID-19_and_Influenza_Surveillance_Graphs_W43_FINAL.pdf

Now we know why the govt were suppressing the schools infection data
Now we know why the govt were suppressing the schools infection data
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Starlight101 · 23/10/2020 20:13

@DBML

If testing were “removed from schools” (which presumably actually means that school-age children would not be allowed tests), or if my own headteacher was hiding positive cases from us, I would remove myself from school.

Me too. People like Ecosse are deluded if they think teachers would just carry on going into school under those conditions.

Already in my school staff are voting with their feet. We’ve got more cover teachers in than we’ve ever had.

I believe children’s education is important, but I wouldn’t risk my life for it. So either the government starts thinking about how to make it safe, or I’ll be joining our other 11 teachers on long-term sick leave.

I honestly wish all teachers would go on long term sick leave with stress. That might bring the government to its senses as nothing else is going to it seems.
DBML · 23/10/2020 20:21

I’ve been teaching over 17 years and in that time I could count my days off on one hand.
Long term stress leave is a serious consideration right now.

herecomesthsun · 23/10/2020 20:23

[quote Ecosse]@cantkeepawayforever

I don’t think vulnerable staff should be in school. The rest have far more chance of being run over on the way to school than dying from COVID transmitted in it.[/quote]
That is wrong, if you look on the past Facts and Figures thread, BigChocFrenzy found a great paper proving that is nonsense. Please can you stop posting it?

MiniTheMinx · 23/10/2020 20:27

@DBML

If testing were “removed from schools” (which presumably actually means that school-age children would not be allowed tests), or if my own headteacher was hiding positive cases from us, I would remove myself from school.

Me too. People like Ecosse are deluded if they think teachers would just carry on going into school under those conditions.

Already in my school staff are voting with their feet. We’ve got more cover teachers in than we’ve ever had.

I believe children’s education is important, but I wouldn’t risk my life for it. So either the government starts thinking about how to make it safe, or I’ll be joining our other 11 teachers on long-term sick leave.

I suspect the profession is hemorrhaging good staff every day. I'd support positive action being taken, but what are the unions prepared to do?

Do we know what percentage of teachers and school staff are either clinically vulnerable or over 50? Does anyone have any idea?

Schools need to be made safer. If testing was denied to children thus making schools even less safe it would result in; teachers going off with stress, leaving the profession, catching covid, long term sickness, increased incidents of isolation, and long term staffing problems. How could schools remain open Eccose? education isn't about buildings and gates, and classrooms or even technology. Its about pedagogy, teaching and its about relationships and people, and good teaching is down to talented committed individuals who already go the extra mile day in day out for our DC. Do you even have DC Eccose because you seem ever so invested in the schools question?

MiniTheMinx · 23/10/2020 20:30

@MollyButton

They are not going to prevent testing in schools, in fact a research study testing in schools is just about to start.
Do you have any further information or a link MollyButton?
MerryMarigold · 23/10/2020 20:33

I think teachers should get priority testing or weekly testing. I work with 2-4 year olds unmasked. I catch all sorts from them all the time. It would be reassuring to know I could get tested quickly with quick turnaround on the test result.

noblegiraffe · 23/10/2020 20:34

The govt won't stop testing in schools because then people might finally kick-off.

They'll just continue to tell people not to get children tested unless they clearly show one of the three main adult symptoms that the vast majority of children don't experience when infected with covid.

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Whiskas1Kittens · 23/10/2020 20:43

A child in my class (foundation stage) had breathing difficulties and a cough and spent several nights in hospital. No Covid test done. He came back to school straight after. Fortunately 2 weeks later there doesn't seem to be any cases but it made me wonder why.

starrynight19 · 23/10/2020 20:43

They'll just continue to tell people not to get children tested unless they clearly show one of the three main adult symptoms that the vast majority of children don't experience when infected with covid.

Yes both positive cases in my primary didn’t show any of the three adult symptoms

MrsHamlet · 23/10/2020 20:44

@OverTheRainbow88

The data is the data, I can’t disagree with that.

But; I think Noble is very good at scaremongering and seems to be trying to put people off sending their DC to school. Correct me if I am wrong but I’ve not read about one school staff or school kid dying since schools have reopened since sept.

Our kids need to be in schools.

So the ones who died earlier in the year don't count for anything? Nice attitude you have there.
echt · 23/10/2020 21:02

But; I think Noble is very good at scaremongering and seems to be trying to put people off sending their DC to school

All a bit tentative , isn't it?

Noble is not scaremongering. The data is either true or it isn't.

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 23/10/2020 21:02

Wheels seem to be turning... Info is going out about lap tops and tech being issued... Shoring up those who don't have access it seems.

Lots of dofe stuff today about tiers and rota.

Also most welcome was a special memo about ventilation and windows.

I think it's time older dc went into masks now.
With extra breaks... To literally give them a breather...
My area is getting lots of cases now, loads of schools and colleges with entire year groups off... Last week it was 1 or 2 cases in a few schools... Now entire year groups off.. In loads of places... 1 case quickly becomes 2 and 3...

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 23/10/2020 21:03

Noble definitely isn't scare mongering!

Definitely not, but noble does seem strangely opposed to the solution.

noblegiraffe · 23/10/2020 21:08

noble does seem strangely opposed to the solution

Improved mitigation measures in schools to keep them open safely for longer? I'm all for them.

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MiniTheMinx · 23/10/2020 21:19

@noblegiraffe

noble does seem strangely opposed to the solution

Improved mitigation measures in schools to keep them open safely for longer? I'm all for them.

What mitigation would you recommend?
CallmeAngelina · 23/10/2020 21:38

What solution do you think noble is opposed to

Pomegranatespompom · 23/10/2020 21:42

If only we had accessible testing.
The situation is dire, I've had 1 test (nhs) due to labs being inundated, completely inadequate for my patient group who are very vulnerable.
Government refused to accept lab space when offered ie Oxford, utter disgrace.

PineappleUpsideDownCake · 23/10/2020 21:43

We're in tier 1 yet the last 2 weeks its really seemed to spred more. 2 secondsries closes in my immediate area. Both my kids primary and secondary have classes in their year self isolating. It seems far too close for comfort. 😔

Namenic · 23/10/2020 21:46

I don’t think in the short term that kids need to be in schools. It is something that can be mitigated over time. It’s kind of hard to mitigate corona because the time course is so short and it’s very transmissible.

Once you get a threshold of staff ill/isolating, you kinda lose education anyway.

I think there are lots of different combinations of measures the govt could take, but they don’t seem to see measures as a coherent package taken together. Eg maybe schools full time may be manageable if govt had lifted restrictions more slowly and expanded track and trace more. Maybe if they decided to put up borders within the country (eg to protect low infection regions) - they could have more normal schools and economy there.

Namenic · 23/10/2020 21:48

I agree that childcare for key workers and a place for vulnerable kids would need to be included in the plan, but I think it’s still more do-able stopping by spread in crowded schools.

herecomesthsun · 23/10/2020 21:50

@TheHouseonHauntedHill

Noble definitely isn't scare mongering!

Definitely not, but noble does seem strangely opposed to the solution.

Is the solution to march upon Westminster and demand too overthrow the Government?

I would be up for it if you could find a way to make political insurrection Covid secure Grin

MiniTheMinx · 23/10/2020 21:59

Do you think these masks might offer some protection
www.ebay.co.uk/c/28010877205
Seems quite appropriate under the circumstances.
Grin

Coldwinds · 23/10/2020 22:05

We’re actually doing ok. It’s not as bleak as some people like to peddle. And let’s not forget the average age of death by Covid is 82

Some posters are prolific in scaremongering. It’s not right.

Now we know why the govt were suppressing the schools infection data
ohthegoats · 23/10/2020 22:23

Info is going out about lap tops and tech being issued... Shoring up those who don't have access it seems.

Schools are having laptop allocation reduced. Only allowed to apply for them if community transmission proven. In reality this means 38 down to 3 laptops for example.

walksen · 24/10/2020 00:39

" The rest have far more chance of being run over on the way to school than dying from COVID transmitted in it."

Patently false. Where are you getting your statistics from?

What are the actual odds of a teacher being run over on the way to school?
What age are you assuming for " the rest"?
What proportion of teachers walk to work?
How have you calculated the mortality risk of being run over during their trip to work?
Who are you defining as "vulnerable" the definition of underlying condition seems very broad to me and probably covers the majority of staff in teaching but no doubt you have ascertained this too?

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