Now we know why the govt were suppressing the schools infection data

[noblegiraffe]

...because for secondary it’s very worrying.

They choose to release it the day before we break up for half term, too late for any circuit breaker like the other U.K. countries.

They’ve quietly removed the assertion that schools aren’t high risk settings from the guidance. At what point are they going to start to be honest about the risks, particularly in sixth forms and colleges?

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This echoes data from Public Health England which suggests cases may now be falling among people in their teens and 20s

Source BBC 23/10/20

[quote Ecosse]@ConfusedcomMum

Yep, let’s have a total lockdown and destroy businesses and people’s livelihoods only for the transmission to increase again as soon as things open.

We also have the fact that we cannot have a ‘total lockdown’ as millions of key workers are needed for us to function. Would you be happy with no electricity and no food?[/quote]
ConfusedcomMum didn’t suggest this.

You seem to be arguing with yourself Ecosse.

@sunflowers246

This echoes data from Public Health England which suggests cases may now be falling among people in their teens and 20s

Source BBC 23/10/20

Infection rates in that age group do not appear to be falling.

Oh yes, teaching Pilates to a few adults is just like school teaching. Silly old me.

How do I insert a photo? Could someone please explain that to me? Thx



When I saw this thread title I knew who it would be written by. I was not wrong.

I think the cases in schools are scary. It is very difficult to protect oneself as a teacher.

I think it is important that schools stay open. However, parents really must impress upon their teenage children that obeying school safety rules is imperative and, ideally, set a good example at home (masks, obeying distancing rules etc etc). Sending sick children in is also a huge no no.

If we want to keep schools open we must all do our bit to get r below 1. If we cannot pull together as a society, teachers (especially older ones) will just stop teaching and schools will, by default, close.

Here is the chart:

Noble, that looks like a sharp increase in Years 2-6 all be it from a lower starting level. Do Indie Sage do the graphs weekly? Will be interesting to see if that increase continues like that or whether it starts to 'level off'.

Over,

What is the point of saying that. Noble has presented reasoned arguments backed up by credible data.

If you disagree, make an argument.

The 10-19 age group is seeing a steep decline in cases!

You need to click on my photo to see all the details

The data is the data, I can’t disagree with that.

But; I think Noble is very good at scaremongering and seems to be trying to put people off sending their DC to school. Correct me if I am wrong but I’ve not read about one school staff or school kid dying since schools have reopened since sept.

Our kids need to be in schools.

And the chart I posted is actual confirmed cases.

Not estimates that other charts below show.

Well yes, Rainbow, it was written to match the title of my previous thread.

Bizarre that people think recognising my threads by their titles is somehow an achievement worth posting about, I've got a particular style and focus.

It should make them easy to avoid, one would have thought.

*What is the point of saying that. Noble has presented reasoned arguments backed up by credible data.

If you disagree, make an argument.*

I have! See the attached photo from the bbc.

Yes your style and focus is always being negative about schools. You should be careful as some parents may withdraw their kids from school because of everything you write, and their kids won’t get an education.

Noble, what do you say to the chart I posted? That looks reassuring doesn't it?

I can't see any chart or picture from you @sunflowers246

I can't see any chart or photo

The chart clearly shows that infection rate is dropping sharply for years 7-11, that is ages 11-17 ish. The rise for ages after that could be for University students - and it has long been obvious that shipping young people all around the country to live in dense housing could be a problem - but economics.

You should be careful as some parents may withdraw their kids from school because of everything you write, and their kids won’t get an education.

At the moment, the government's policies mean that at least 400,000 pupils per day aren't getting an in-school education (and this is happening chaotically). This number will grow as the pandemic grows, because schools are not Covid safe. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that schools need to be made more Covid secure, for the benefit of everyone.

Sunflowers,

You failed to past a chart, I am afraid.

It is true that infection rates seem to have peaked in that age range, maybe based on some herd immunity in schools. They are still high though.

If they keep coming down, it will provide comfort, but it is early days yet.

But; I think Noble is very good at scaremongering and seems to be trying to put people off sending their DC to school.

No. I'm trying to hold the government to account and discuss the situation in schools. Some people really don't seem to want that discussion to happen.

I don't want schools closed. I send my own DC to school. I do wish people would stop trying to tell me what I think and read my sodding posts instead.

You should be careful as some parents may withdraw their kids from school because of everything you write, and their kids won’t get an education.

I should be careful about discussing publicly available data? I should lie about the situation in schools? People can look at things for themselves and make up their own minds, don't infantilise them like the government are doing, or deny them a choice, like the government are doing,

I want schools to be safer than they are. Don't you?