Not allowed to self isolate unless told to do so by test and trace??

[Bjollocks]

Is this for real? I honestly didn't realise. How messed up is this??

You need to use your common sense

So do employers.
Unfortunately many don't and want to make up their own rules.
Such as asking employees to take a test and if negative to come back to work.
It doesn't work that way.
Employers need to act responsibly too and allow their workers to SI if they need to, not ask them to break the rules.

@Bjollocks

Family member is positive. What a great system.

It’s their fault for continuing to play a CONTACT SPORT ffs.

Some contact sports are allowed under the new guidelines.
Of course people will play it, if it's permitted.

I assume the system the OP is criticising is the delay that comes with T&T. Without that delay, or by employers allowing their employees to Si as soon as they become aware of a contact, and not making them wait to hear from T&T then the see you soon,them would be more,effective in preventing the spread.

The part about playing an allowed contact sport is a separate issue to the T&T system.

@Secretsout

May I ask a question?
How would an employer or school know if someone has been told to self isolate. If you call someone up and tell them to self isolate, do you call their employer or school to inform them that that person cant come in? Or is it up to the person/parent to call the employer/school to let them know?

My daughter works for track and trace. The positive person will be contacted by her and they will have to tell her who they have been in contact with. Then you will be contacted to say you should self isolate

WhereverIGoddamnLike - you can get a self-isolation note from the NHS website.

111.nhs.uk/isolation-note/

The page says you can only use it if you've been told to isolate by T&T but I was on a thread recently where the OP was stuck in this limbo and her GP was able to authorise her to get a note through that page.

Would that be worth a try OP?

I agree with others, some employers are being extremely irresponsible.

@LangClegsInSpace

I didnt know they had that.

I was more wondering how they can enforce it. If they dont call employers or schools, then could someone just ignore the track and trace and continue going to work or sending their kid to school (risking being caught if they get checked on but some people are happy to take that risk).

Does every positive test get referred to t&t?

How would track and trace know if you don't have the app and the positive person doesn't tell them?

Test and Trace are completely seperate from Track ie: nothing to do with the app. If you are contacted via the app, which is anonamous, isolation is not legally required, but socially responsible. If you are contacted by Test you are legally obliged to isolate, and they will have information on the positive person, because they have their details.

I expect a lot of people do just ignore the instruction and get away with it although the police now have powers of enforcement.

There needs to be much better support in place for people who should be isolating. I hate how the government has jumped straight to enforcement. It's cruel to threaten people with criminal fines when they're just trying to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.

@Bjollocks

Does every positive test get referred to t&t?

Yes.

@Aragog

I assume the system the OP is criticising is the delay that comes with T&T. Without that delay, or by employers allowing their employees to Si as soon as they become aware of a contact, and not making them wait to hear from T&T then the see you soon,them would be more,effective in preventing the spread.

The part about playing an allowed contact sport is a separate issue to the T&T system.

Problem is people don’t understand what “contact” means in this scenario.

Someone (a medic ) asked me if they had to SI having driven their child for 10 mins to a bus station to go back to uni. They had both worn masks and the child didn’t get symptoms/tested for 3 weeks after that “contact”. I despair.

If that's the case then the definition of close contact needs to be more clearly spelled out so everyone is clear.

It would still a better system (in terms of restricting the spread of the virus) to have more people SI than need to, than the other way round. I know this isn't great financially for people or businesses, however.

If the clarity of what close contact means is really the issue this could be very easy to solve - the government could add more of their little PHE ads etc that address this issue.], for example.

I always wonder the motive of threads line this. All you’re doing is purposely spreading misinformation.

@Aragog

If that's the case then the definition of close contact needs to be more clearly spelled out so everyone is clear.

It would still a better system (in terms of restricting the spread of the virus) to have more people SI than need to, than the other way round. I know this isn't great financially for people or businesses, however.

If the clarity of what close contact means is really the issue this could be very easy to solve - the government could add more of their little PHE ads etc that address this issue.], for example.

Add it to the list. People think sore throats and runny noses are on the list of symptoms that prompt tests and that info has been out there for MONTHS.

Being honest, I'm keeping my kids home when we havent been told too.
On thursday and friday last week we had 2 separate contact who both develop symptoms within a couple days. It was half term for us so my kids werent at school, and I kept them off when schools went back. One person tested negative, then this morning I found out that the other person tested negative, but own of my kids now has symptoms. I've ordered a test but no matter what it comes back, I'm keeping them both off for the 14 days just to be safe, because if my other kid develops symptoms them that's the school having a problem.

In the business owner so I can school them during the day, and work overnight. They're getting all their school work, and I'm not inconvniencing an employer or colleagues.

I'd rather just be on the safe side.

The "motive" of the thread was that I couldn't believe your employer could stop you from self isolating when you tell them you've been in contact with a positive case.

[quote WhereverIGoddamnLike]@Secretsout

May I ask a question?
How would an employer or school know if someone has been told to self isolate. If you call someone up and tell them to self isolate, do you call their employer or school to inform them that that person cant come in? Or is it up to the person/parent to call the employer/school to let them know?[/quote]
I'm a clinical case worker so I deal with the positive cases so they have proof of testing/result to show employer.

I'm not entirely sure how the contact tracers work but I'm almost certain that there is a mechanism to provide the contact with evidence that they've been told to self isolate.

Schools/healthcare/emergency services who test positive are automatically escalated to the top level who contact employers.

@WunWun

Surely if you tell your work they won't want you to go in though?

I know someone who works for tesco who was told not to isolate even though they spent their shift working in the warehouse less than 2m from a colleague who tested positive 2 days later. No masks.

My friend hadn't got the app and the positive person didn't tell test and trace their name as worried about being told off for no masks
Tesco told them they could not isolate and to come to work.

Someone I know (A) works at university. Was in close contact

@Bjollocks

The "motive" of the thread was that I couldn't believe your employer could stop you from self isolating when you tell them you've been in contact with a positive case.

Your employer can’t stop you from self isolating. They can be fined if they tell you that you have to go into work.

You are not required to self isolate unless contacted by test and trace.

@Bjollocks

You are not required to self isolate unless contacted by test and trace.

You keep saying that, what is your source??

NHS page that tells you when you should self isolate. It clearly states you self isolate if you’ve been in contact with a positive case, have symptoms yourself or you have been in contact with someone who has symptoms

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/when-to-self-isolate-and-what-to-do/