Tier 3 - local holiday??? Confused by advice

[Keepgoing88]

Hi, we are soon to go into tier 3. I have a short break booked somewhere which is a 2 hour drive away (tier 2). I assumed I would have to cancel but the guidance says this so I am confused!!

‘People in Tier 3 zones can take a holiday, but the advice is to only do so in local hotels and holiday accommodation to avoid leaving the area.‘

Has anyone else experience this situation?

Friends with holiday lets in tier one are cancelling all bookings from tiers 2 and 3; friends with holiday lets in tier 2 are cancelling all bookings from tiers one and 3, and friends with holiday lets in tier 3 are cancelling all bookings full stop. They are offering rebooking next year or, if not covered by insurance, full refunds. They are taking the approach that we are all better to stay within our tiers except for essential travel for education, work and caring. They are all taking a financial hit again, and some earache - most people have been in full agreement but there have been a few Mr/Mrs Angrys who feel entitled to their holidays come what may.

I imagine a lot depends on whether you get a refund with regards cancelling holidays as it is not law

I agree. It’s astonishing to read the selfishness on this thread it makes you despair.

Bloody hell there’s a lot of selfish people aren’t there?

If you live in tier 3 areas you should not leave your area (except for essential reasons like work). It’s extremely selfish to go on holiday to lower risk areas, potentially spreading covid on your way.

This selfishness is why Wales has made it illegal to travel from high risk areas (in any part of the uk). I wish Boris Johnson would do the same.

Also what does the Lake District fall under? Lancashire or Cumbria?
Cumbria.

Proves the ridiculousness of it all. You can go for a walk round Yealand Conyers but not a few miles up the road? I’m sure all the little rural villages in Lancashire are delighted to be lumped in with the likes of Blackpool and Liverpool
Just go where there aren’t many people, don’t go in shops, cafes etc, take sanitiser, gloves or plastic bags for opening gates and take your rubbish home with you. It’s not the fault of the conscientious people who do all that that idiots flocked to the Lakes over Summer and caused mess and disruption.

I don’t want to sit in a Wetherspoons or go on the Pleasure Beach. I do want to go where there are no people, have a bracing Autumn walk for my mental and physical health. I won’t come into contact with a single resident in the area, so absolutely no risk to anyone there.
As long as it is ‘shouldn’t ‘ not ‘mustn’t ‘ then I am doing that.

I wouldn't recommend trying to holiday in Lancashire at the moment if you're from elsewhere. We tried to go for one of our usual weekend walks at the weekend - somewhere there's usually oodles of parking. It was absolutely rammed, no chance. It's probably a mix of people who'd usually do something else, plus local people who'd typically go off to the Lakes or Dales for a weekend day out.

It is guidance and not enforceable, I have cancelled a break to a tier 2 area (no money lost) and rebooked to Lancashire, yes I live in Greater Manchester but both are tier 3.

I’m tier 2 although likely to become tier 3 in the next week because of cases in areas 30 miles away from me. My local area has reminded consistently low throughout. I am travelling to a tier 1 area next week for holiday. Selfish, maybe. But I am not losing £700 by cancelling just because some idiot plonked my entire county under the same restrictions when my area shouldn’t be included. My family are already missing out on seeing family and friends and so we are not missing our holiday as well.

We're tier 2 and we've cancelled our half term holiday to a tier 1 area. As much as I'd love to have gone it just doesn't seem right. It wouldn't be an enjoyable holiday anyway with all of the restrictions and anything can change at any time.

No one should lose money by cancelling a holiday due to either end being in tier 2/3 (especially tier 3). I got my money back easily but I guess that’s because it was Wales and no ones allowed to holiday there. Holiday company’s need to be flexible.

I’m in tier 1 and I don’t want people from tier 3 coming here to holiday but they probably will, lots of people will still travel next week , there’s no law so people are going to ignore the advice. We will end up all being in tier 3 for Christmas but hey..as long as people got a break for half term 🤔.

Anyway... OP, the advice is perfectly clear. You just don't like it, and it's advice not law so many people will make excuses and ignore it.

Maybe it would be better if, as in Wales, it was a matter of law because that would almost certainly put people in a stronger position re refunds or deferment.

We live in tier 2 and are not going on holiday but all our outings/exercise is in (starting 2 miles away) tier 1. We won't be changing that no matter what tier each area is as we are confident we can stay out of close contact with other people and ds requires routine. Going away on holiday would be more difficult because it is harder to avoid other people.

People in Tier 3 zones can take a holiday, but the advice is to only do so in local hotels and holiday accommodation to avoid leaving the area.

I would imagine that “local” means that you should stay within your Tier 3 area.

It is currently advice, not law.

In my case, it’s not advisable for me to go walking/cycling etc in the isolated Pennine hills 5 or 6 miles away over a county border into Tier 3, but can travel 20+ miles go to shopping and drinking in Bradford should I wish. (I don’t).

Staying local as in your tier doesn't work well if your area is a very small peninsular with a lower tier or the sea around it.

The guidelines say not to travel out of your T3 area. Please don’t go on holiday to lower risk areas ad spread it. Such a selfish attitude

Maybe it would be better if, as in Wales, it was a matter of law because that would almost certainly put people in a stronger position re refunds or deferment*.

This is key I think.
If people won't get a refund and will,lose money they are far more likely to still go.
If they can get a refund for the full amount, or,can postpone at no additional cost, they are more likely to cancel or rearrange.

If the government want us to stay put then they should make it a law so that people can claim refunds, etc.

If they'd meant, exactly, stay in your tier area then it would have been easy enough to say so. Therefore, I'd take 'local' to mean 'local'. And while that isn't precisely defined, if people generally interpret it sensibly and use a bit of nous, rather than pushing the limits then it would achieve the aim of not cross-contaminating other areas. Walking over a county border somewhere you know you can socially distance x 10 because you're familiar with it... no one is going to know or care.

I'm in Liverpool we were told to not leave the city for none essential reasons. It is only guidance, but this how it will spread. Having said that there's still room for individual risk assessment.

Our trains are going onto a reduced service to discourage travel. But holiday flights are still going out as usual, to places that don't have any measures, so it makes a mockery of the rules.

If they'd meant, exactly, stay in your tier area then it would have been easy enough to say so.

They have advised this, at least for S Yorks. Final bullet point in photo.

That's only BBC Sheffield's interpretation of it.
And it is still only saying advised.

The links the council etc have put up just have the generalised message.

It still doesn't state that people cannot travel - as such people can't claim for holidays in many cases, therefore they will travel.

Are people still allowed to go abroad from any tier?

We are tier 2 and know of a few friends who are away, or going next week.

Some in non-household groups....

we're tier 3 and advised not to but I live extremely close to the cheshire border so I will be crossing. We are near the airpot and I know people still planning to go abroad next week. Nothing legally stopping them. Airport unaffected.

when I say airport unaffected I mean it's in tier 3 but nothing's been said about reducing flights or not letting tier 2/3 folk on the planes .

@Frazzled2207

when I say airport unaffected I mean it's in tier 3 but nothing's been said about reducing flights or not letting tier 2/3 folk on the planes .

Are we neighbours? I'm also on the Cheshire border in Bramhall. 2 miles in one direction puts me in Poynton and therefore Cheshire.