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Schools open for half a term now with no serious cases...

277 replies

RubyandBen · 20/10/2020 19:09

I know there's been lots of DC and teachers off either because they've had CV or been in close contact with someone who has. But it seems there hasn't been anyone very ill (hospital ill) because of this. So measures do appear to be working. As it's sounding like only the ecv are going to be getting vaccinated (if one ever appears), should just the DC with CV stay off school and parents be given the choice to keep their DC off if in the same bubble? Would be much less disruptive.

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RubyandBen · 20/10/2020 20:41

@BlueBlancmange they will not be a priority. Most under 50s won't be vaccinated.

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ImSleepingBeauty · 20/10/2020 20:42

school are keeping cases quiet so it doesnt impact attendance

@PheasantPlucker1 Completely agree. Our school issued a letter to say they had 5 cases. Well they didn’t get all 5 in one day, did they? That very night my DC became unwell. Got them a test the following day and it came back positive.

If I’d known there were 5 cases in the school I would have kept my DC, who has a pre-existing medical condition, off. I didn’t get that choice. There are now 6 cases (that I know of) and school remains open.

Tyranttoddler · 20/10/2020 20:43

@RubyandBen can you explain why you don't believe that there are teachers in hospital?

CallmeAngelina · 20/10/2020 20:45

So, you've decided to believe that there are no serious cases in schools at the moment. A number of posters come on to tell you that they know of cases.
Instead of wondering if your made up assertion might perhaps be nonsense, you accuse them of lying?

Okayyyyy.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 20/10/2020 20:46

[quote RubyandBen]@WhyareWehardofthinking sorry but I don't believe you.[/quote]
That is totally up to you. But you would be.... well, wrong.

Manchester is a big place, and I've worked across it. I know quite a few people in the education world here. I've even had a death in my family; would you like a photo of the grave?

2X4B523P · 20/10/2020 20:47

I am quite sure there will be a number of school staff that are very ill and some that have died. We won’t know the full extent of this due to how it’s being brushed under the carpet. Add to that how has schools contributed to community transmission and deaths in general?

BelleSausage · 20/10/2020 20:49

Some people are so psychologically invested in schools being open full time that they would ignore a thousand deaths and hospitalisations.

Which says more about them than anything else.

I can assure you that teachers out there are taking massive risks to themselves and their families to provide your DC with an education. While your DC is actually getting that education would you kindly put a plug in it.

It’s hard enough juggling family life and commitments with blended learning and providing work for self isolating students and providing quality teaching for those in class and trying to shield elderly relatives without some known nothing on the internet spouting this anecdata crap.

You have no idea what it is actually like in schools at the moment or how many staff and kids are sick or how many caught it in the laughable ‘COVID safe’ conditions we’ve been forced to work in.

Just be grateful that every day those teachers get up and put your DCs education above their own health and that of their family.

Maybe think of ways to make teachers lives easier instead of harder.

ThatDamnScientist · 20/10/2020 20:51

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

I actually think part time or online would be less disruptive. Having to regularly isolate for 2 weeks on and off is hard. Especially when kids need to be active.
I agree, dd(ks1) has just spent 3 weeks off (so 4 in so far). We spent a week isolating as we had symptoms and the results took so long to return (neg) and then just as we were able to resume life, a little boy in her class returned a positive so the bubble closed. This is ridiculous. (We are one of many schools either closing or closing bubbles just in my city)
WhyareWehardofthinking · 20/10/2020 20:54

@RubyandBen

If I hadn't had such a long day dealing with multiple classes with students isolating so I'm monitoring Google classroom at the same time as physically teaching, I'd be annoyed at you for being guilble or, even hard of thinking. But I'm not, because you seem to react like those parents of ours sending their kids in with symptoms/waiting for a test/being positive themselves.

Apparently it isn't a big deal....

Mintychoc1 · 20/10/2020 20:55

[quote RubyandBen]@WhyareWehardofthinking sorry but I don't believe you.[/quote]
Nor do I.
And someone having a stroke after Covid is absolutely not necessarily related to Covid. People in their 40s often have strokes.

BelleSausage · 20/10/2020 20:57

Cognitive dissonance at play here

Calligraphy572 · 20/10/2020 20:57

Amen, @BelleSausage.

monkeytennis97 · 20/10/2020 20:58

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starrynight19 · 20/10/2020 21:00

Cognitive dissonance at play here

This

Aragog · 20/10/2020 21:00

Mintychox

But it could be linked, for sure it could be.

Last week I was hospitalised with stage 3 hypertension - crisis level high blood pressure.

I have NEVER had issues with my blood pressure. Covid was causing it to spike at a dangerously high level, along with other symptoms. Had this gone unnoticed I could well have become even more unwell and this could well have led to me having a stroke, heart attack, etc.

This would have been as a result of Covid.

Fortunately it was discovered and medication has been able to stabilise it.

But had the worst happened then it could have been caused by me catching Covid.

Not just because I'm a 40 odd year old.

herecomesthsun · 20/10/2020 21:00

So psychologically, many people are invested in a particular perspective because it suits their circumstances.

Someone might schools to be open again because

  • they want their kids to get an education (understandable)
  • they want things back the way they were (understandable)
  • kids weren't working effectively at home (can see that)
  • it's convenient for them to do their own work (can see that too and we all need an income)
  • they manage people with kids and they want them to come to work, that's a lot easier if the kids are in school (it would be)
  • they run a company and again it impacts on profits if kids aren't in work (I guess it would)
  • it suits their political opinions (how they vote or they belong to some splinter group or other)

These are powerful motivations. It's very tempting to choose information that suits your world view and ignore other information.

So anyone posting that they are in fact a teacher and in fact they know there are people seriously ill (or dead) with covid must automatically be giving false information maybe?

Calligraphy572 · 20/10/2020 21:00

Covid is a vascular disease. It causes blood clots and strokes. These can happen quite a time after the initial infection. It's absolutely believable.

RunBackwards · 20/10/2020 21:01

There will, more than likely, be serious case in a school but that doesn't mean the person contracted the illness at school. In our LA the vast majority of school cases and closures have been one off or very small clusters around social activities outside of school. The school containment measures seem to be working and transmission inside schools is nowhere near as rife as some people insisted it would be.

Aragog · 20/10/2020 21:02

Sorry my response should have been to @Mintychoc1

converseandjeans · 20/10/2020 21:02

whyarewe I believe you. Sorry to hear about all those cases.

I think people are so desperate to have children in school they are in denial. I have 2 DC who are much better off in school. I really don't want school to close.

There seems to be a belief on MN that teachers are shirkers. We're now having to stream lessons home whilst teaching a class. Upload work for those missing. Whilst following safety guidelines.

I don't expect any clapping or a big fuss. Just that people would acknowledge the risk It's not just teachers tho is it - there's school bus drivers, cleaners, cooks, TAs, office staff, caretakers. None have the luxury of wfh.

WhyareWehardofthinking · 20/10/2020 21:02

Just repeating what I have been told; it followed hospitalisation from COVID and is being treated as a consequence of that. I don't proclaim to be a doctor, just a teacher.

herecomesthsun · 20/10/2020 21:03

Can I also say thank you very much to the teachers and how sorry I am to hear that your colleagues (or you) have been so poorly.

Cookiecrisps · 20/10/2020 21:04

@BelleSausage this is exactly how I feel too. There is so much misinformation in the media about schools.

At my school we’re expected to teach as normal - must do group work, must sit next to children to mark their work and read with them, must move around the classroom to support learning.

All of this is a big risk at the moment considering we don’t know if / when any of the many pupils we’ve been in close contact with will get a positive test and then if / how that will affect us and our families.

herecomesthsun · 20/10/2020 21:05

@RunBackwards

There will, more than likely, be serious case in a school but that doesn't mean the person contracted the illness at school. In our LA the vast majority of school cases and closures have been one off or very small clusters around social activities outside of school. The school containment measures seem to be working and transmission inside schools is nowhere near as rife as some people insisted it would be.
How much worse it is supposed to get before people take this seriously then>
IndecentFeminist · 20/10/2020 21:06

The stats this evening seemed to show that the infections in young people are slowing.