South Yorks, West Yorks and Nottingham on the cards for T3 this week?

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Speculation tonight from the Times that it could be as early as Tuesday:

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Could another 7 million more people go into the Tier 3 Very High alert level this week? That is what ministers intend to do, with or without deals with local leaders, they now insist. Greater Manchester, South Yorks, West Yorks and Nottingham all about to be moved up from Tier 2.

That said, progress being made with all of them on achieving deals, with hospitals reporting ever higher covid admission rates. Deals in South and West Yorks look closest, with an announcement expected Tuesday.
Unlike in Manchester, local leaders not holding out for 80% of wages.

Instead, they have a proposal to devolve more money down to councils to support businesses and workers. "There are other ways to skin the cat," one northern figure says. Time also now becoming crucial. The figure adds: "Each day of delay has a cost in lives".

Manchester still proving the hardest nut to crack, but progress being made there too, thanks to Treasury millions. Andy Burnham and No10's Eddie Lister talking again in the morning, with silence from both tonight seen as a good sign. More on @TimesRadio tomorrow after 7am.

Yep them too

But “ use your own common sense” means nothing though . The group of ten women I saw celebrating someone’s 40th probably thought they were using their common sense, and they knew each other etc etc. but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for them to do it when others are missing out on gatherings etc too. I hate the “ I’m alright Jack mentality “

West Yorkshire here. Also have a holiday booked for Saturday. After another confirmed case in my daughters year group, I'm tempted to keep her off school. If her bubble closes, we won't be able to go anywhere. It's already been a crap year, placing us into Tier 3 and forcing us to cancel our holiday will be sad for both me and my kids, but understandable.

A Yorkshire here. I'm pretty sure we'll go into tier three soln. It won't make much difference to my immediate family because we are all acting as though we are tier three already.

The thing that bugs me a !ittle, is that we went into lock down with the rest of the country in March when our numbers were 5 per 100,00, and they remained that way until september. Now we are told that the SW doesn't need to restrict because their numbers are low.

So why did SY have to lockdown in March?

Not that I want the SW to lockdown now. But what I do want, in vain it seems, is a competent government, who does what's right, not what is popular

@Beeeees

South Yorks only just got restrictions so it seems a bit unfair to go to tier 3 without seeing if tier 2 made a difference. They waited too long to bring any in tbh.

All the more reason not to wait any longer then.

@CoronaIsWatching

I’m not saying the Gov has got it right, it’s the arrogance of people who think they can just do their own thing

Including many MP's and Gov advisers

And most of mumsnet seem to think it doesn't apply to them

South Yorkshire here, expecting tier 3 any time now. Cases rising in my town, local hospital just closed to non essential visitors. My side of town is pretty good at SDing I think, never seen anyone not wearing a mask shopping, not aware of any big parties or even people visiting someone they shouldn't.

Dm and dsis live the other side if town tho and say its completely different, like lockdown never happened and isn't still happening.

It won't make a deal of difference to us tbh, we rarely go out out, if pubs that serve substantial meals stay open we can carry on as normal as we only ever go to foody pub down the road. Feel sorry for businesses and hospitality staff tho and also students who were relying on pub jobs to fund their studies. I can't see many returning after Christmas if they can't find work and can imagine a mass exodus next week (reading week) as well.

They have been told to stay where they are but if I had a teen at uni who wanted to come home, in the circumstances I would use half term to come and collect them.

Frouby why do you think there is such a difference in complaince within one town?

The government needs to make their guidance on travel for tier 3 clearer so use words such as “must not” rather than “we are asking people not to” I was planning to go to our holiday home Friday and take all food with us the kids are excited... but if we do move up a level to tier 3 (tier 2 only introduced Saturday) then I’m unsure what rules we are actually breaking??

Frouby
Which hosp is it in Syorkshire?

The gov needs to make a decision about restrictions over half term (next week) now rather than wait for people to pack their suitcases, if it gets to Friday I’m going!

@Inkpaperstars

Frouby why do you think there is such a difference in complaince within one town?

Theres a very spilt demographic within Sheffield. Some really 'nice' areas, v leafy, likely lots of people can work from home etc and then some parts with lots of deprivation, zero hours contracts, multi generational households etc. Although actually the spread is fairly even within the city (aside from student areas which have ++ cases currently) I'm expecting us to be in tier3 by the end of the week, I think its needed but really feel for businesses. Hospitality round here have worked really hard to keep places safe and have been doing a good job. The hallamshire has stopped visiting (exceptions for birth partners and end of life) am assuming the ngh has done the same as well but not sure.

Storyofcats
I was in a busy car park in the north of Sheffield a few weeks ago for kids numerous football matches going on, every one was being very careful all day so all parents keeping a distance from others ... at the end of the match and heading back to the car park some cars had pulled up and all the occupants had ethnic background and they were all hugging handshaking shoulder bumping greeting each other.... it was such a shock to see as not seen anyone hug or greet in public for such a long time and such a contrast to how the rest of the community/football match folk had been behaving .... btw before the vipers start... I am in no way racist .... this was an observation!!

@Inkpaperstars

Frouby why do you think there is such a difference in complaince within one town?

Inequality.

I've seen it happening around here.

Places where people are able to work from home are more compliant. Places where people cant work from home are less compliant.

Thats generally because jobs are related to affluence and political beliefs. And if you have been around other people doing stupid shit at work then your view of how dangerous the virus is and what you can do to avoid exposure is different to those closeted off.

I notice that places which are particularly affluent lead infection rates initially. Then as restrictions come in, infection rates rocket in the least affluent areas and the only places that rates stay stable or go into reverse are very affluent.

Economics is a HUGE aspect of whats going on, and the longer restrictions tighten financial hardship the more none compliance goes up.

In this sense restrictions are time limited in their effectiveness. Yet no one seems to be adding this into calculations.

Nononoandno I'm from Sheffield and agree with you.

Has anyone seen any update on talks today. Wondering if all the attention on Greater Manchester will be good or bad in terms of how quickly we are pushed into Tier 3.
If the Sheffield Star is to be believed then it's iminent

Hancock has just finished his statement to the house (was at 7pm).

Nothing but Manchester and prattling on about how urgent it was to go to Tier 3 in the north.

Then ignores the council areas which supposedly have reached a deal with the government and nothing about t3.

Maybe they are going to change their offer and only come within 5 million of what those councils want and then threaten them will pulling the plug on the rest like theyve done with Manchester and Lancashire.

Either way, for such a pressing need, the government do seem to be dragging their heels on all these absolutely necessary t3 restrictions.

On the plus side it looks like at least another 24 hours of being able to see your friends and go to the pub...

But cases in sheffield have dropped this week...

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

But cases in sheffield have dropped this week...

And?

Your point is?

I don't think theres any logic here in terms of cases or figures.

I'm going to be annoyed if they drag all of Nottinghamshire into Tier3. We have lower numbers of cases than some Tier1 areas.

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

But cases in sheffield have dropped this week...

But cases in the region as a whole are rising. Barnsley's second to Sheffield for infection rates now, theirs have tripled in the last week. Only Leeds and Sheffield have seen a drop and those numbers are still high. Can't say I understand the numbers but it's not looking good.

@murmurgam

I'm going to be annoyed if they drag all of Nottinghamshire into Tier3. We have lower numbers of cases than some Tier1 areas.

Nottinghamshire meet Wirral. Wirral meet Nottinghamshire.

shrugs

I'll be fucking annoyed if they don't give Nottinghamshire sufficient time to actually TRY to get tier2 working before whacking us up - but I think we're being lined up for one of the next headline fillers to distract from Brexit.

As for not being allowed to travel from a Tier 3 to Tier 2... that would mean I couldn't leave my street, turn one way and walk 5 minutes to the supermarket... yeah that rule's not getting followed!

As for not being allowed to travel from a Tier 3 to Tier 2... that would mean I couldn't leave my street, turn one way and walk 5 minutes to the supermarket... yeah that rule's not getting followed!

Its not a rule. Its guidance.

My Christmas dinner is in another county. I shall not be following that one.

My point clearly is that sheffield should not be going into harsher restrictions when our numbers are falling!

Give Tier 2 a chance to work which it seems to be doing.

Even fewer people will follow the restrictions if restrictions are brought in when cases are dropping as it's not fucking logical.

And yes case numbers are still too high. Because students. Because schools. Very little to do with seeing your family in a garden or on a walk.

I followed every rule last time and just yesterday I said I would continue to follow tier 2 rules. If they put us in tier 3 for no good reason then sorry but I'm out. And I'm going to become one of the people I was so angry with the first time round.