Everyone should get back to normal and just protect the elderly?

[terreyyy]

What's people's opinions on this?
Everyone get back to normal and if your elderly or vulnerable then shield or take precautions.
We just can't go on like this.
Should everything return to normal?

Doesn’t work!!!!!!!

How do you define 'elderly' and what measures do you propose that will 'protect' them?

And what about those who fall into the (moderate risk) 'flu jab' vulnerable group?

Boring boring boring. There is no way to make it work

To avoid overwhelming the NHS you need to protect anyone over age 45

So foster out their children

Sack the older teachers and have class sizes about 60 pupils per class

Sun to wed have supermarkets staffed by the over 45s for the over 45s

Cancel all surgery for anyone under 46 if their surgeon is over 45 and vice versa

Yeah, well back to normal

And, when the NHS grinds to a halt because the beds are full - how are we protecting anyone then?

Only uneducated people would make a statement like this.

Nope. Look at the north east where going on for 3000 cases in last week or so are university students and following this rise is an increase in admissions to hospitals for the older age groups.

I don't have a clue about any solution to this ..this is just something I've seen people saying all over Facebook /Twitter
I just don't see a way of this ever sorting itself out,I can't see a vaccine even next year.
It's all just depressing

I get that people are frustrated and wildly looking for solutions to their own personal misery. But isolating anyone for the sake of others isn't fair. No life is worth less than others.

Everyone needs to do their bit. Normality will come back at some point as it always has after some sort of bug.

There are lots of ways of sorting this out

Press your mp for a working test system that returns results in 24 hrs, reaches 80% of contacts within the next 24 hrs, and achieve near 100% self isolation compliance by paying people, monitoring people and having someone call every day to check they are ok

Or wait for vaccine /treatment which is highly likely in the next 6 months

I know it's hard when you see the mess the country is in, unemployment, full ICU's, deaths all rising. But the greater the unity of voices calling for the basics, the better

No. No. And no again.

What do you mean by "protect"? Make them hide away from all of society (including their work and families and totally screw their mental health) until when?

God help anyone that wants to buy food or take a little exercise or needs to visit a health provider.

It's a simplistic and totally unworkable (and unreasonable) phrase spouted by those that have no compassion or imagination.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-barrington-declaration-an-open-letter-arguing-against-lockdown-policies-and-for-focused-protection/

acmedsci.ac.uk/more/news/navigating-covid-19-through-the-volume-of-competing-voices

medium.com/@jmfeldman/the-herd-immunity-strategy-isnt-part-of-a-scientific-debate-about-covid-19-abddf6bc7c13

Are these the new ‘when are the schools going back?’ threads?

The country would collapse if you take the 'elderly' and vulnerable out of society.

And what do you class as elderly? 50?60?70?

I don’t think we should just protect the vulnerable and the rest of us to back to normal.

But equally we can’t go on like this if we want to have an economy to fund the NHS. I’m also very worried about rising child poverty and the impact that will have on DCs’ life chances and life expectancy.

Personally I would reintroduce shielding on a voluntary and funded basis- it makes no sense to me why vulnerable people are being expected to put themselves at risk going to work and school.

Equally though I would retain the rule of six, social distancing and face masks for the moment. These measures accompanied by a reintroduction of shielding will prevent hospitals being overwhelmed (which is the metric we should be working towards).

So many things have permanently closed in my city.
We've lost a bowling alley,the casino and I can't see the cinema staying open.
We've lost Thornton's /flying tiger and Debenhams/new look aren't looking god.
Three pubs and 4 restaurants (including revolution) which was always packed have perm closed.
Little tea rooms have gone.
I'm scared tbh what's gonna happen

@Char2015

Only uneducated people would make a statement like this.

That’s one of the nastiest statements I’ve read on here for sometime.

So come on then, since you’re so educated what’s the answer, because even the WHO say lockdowns don’t work, Chris Whitty said a circuit breaker would only give us 28 days breathing space so what do you want us to do.

And please spare me the “improve track and trace bollocks” because if they can’t sort it in six months, there’s no chance it’ll be fixed in two weeks.

Quite honestly they’ll have to come up with something better than ongoing restrictions for everyone, because public willingness to obey them isn’t going to last much longer. I think MN is a bit of a shadow world, with what seems like half of posters claiming they haven’t met up with another soul outside their household since March and wouldn’t dream of going to a restaurant: it’s in no way reflective of how the majority of people feel and are behaving. I don’t know a single person who intends to comply with any new restrictions, and that includes people who were vehement about it back in March - May.

Lots of "elderly" and "vulnerable" need care and support. Who is going to provide that if everybody else is carrying on and spreading the virus?
What about when those same vulnerable or elder people need to go into hospitals full of covid patients? Who will protect them then?
And what about the many older people who are still in the workforce?
It's just not possible.

“a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence”
mobile.twitter.com/TheLancet/status/1316507074415779840

So many things are closing

Yes. So we need to do what it takes to stop anything else having to close. Which is not lock up the vulnerable. Neither is it pretending there is no problem. Neither is it pretending that it is economically sensible to drive people to despair through inadequate financial support.

There isn't an easy answer . There are least worst solutions. They require a government with more empathy for poor people and less empathy for the rich and their mates

because even the WHO say lockdowns don’t work

They didn't say that, they said shouldn't be used as a primary means of controlling the virus. But since we outsourced the track and trace system to the Tory darling Dido Harding who spunked £12 billion pounds into a failing system, instead of into the hand of our local authorities, it's all there currently is to preserve the health of the NHS.

@terreyyy

What's people's opinions on this? Everyone get back to normal and if your elderly or vulnerable then shield or take precautions. We just can't go on like this. Should everything return to normal?

Yes!!

It doesn't work because "the elderly and vulnerable" don't exist in a bubble - they live with their families, have carers etc.

A vaccination is in development and even if it doesn't happen, treatments and understanding of the disease is constantly improving. This is not forever.

It's true businesses are suffering and the government should have more targeted support available. Some things may change forever - online shopping instead of the local high street for example (many shops and pubs have been struggling for years anyway). My local cafe did a crowdfunder and turned into a bakery during lockdown and they're now more successful than before, so it's possible to adapt.

So you're scared. We all are. The solution isn't to be ableist or ageist.

I'm 31, I was on the shielding list. I'm very vulnerable and yet I work full time, I provide care for my grandparents and I volunteer. I stayed inside my two bedroom flat for 5 months, no walks, no shops, no visits. And so did everyone else on the shielding list and yet we had over 40,000 deaths.

It's not the vulnerable people that were dying then. We were all locked up.

Vulnerable working people can't shield indefinitely. I ran up debt shielding for five months on SSP as I didn't have enough money coming in to cover our basic living costs. I can't afford to shield again.