To think January will be the point when people give up Covid restrictions?

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I’ve noticed amongst my friends that a lot of people are saying “January is when we will have a vaccine, we just need to wait until January, only a few months now...”

As well as this, I also assume everyone else is also noticing “lockdown fatigue” in general. It’s hard to tell people not to mix households at all when schools are open with no social distancing, workplaces, etc... (At least where I am anyway!)

Does anyone else think we’re going to be entirely f*** if there is no vaccine in January? It feels like it’s being hyped up so much, people are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. People are already ambivalent to restrictions- ie, the poor people of Leicester who basically never came out of lockdown. I can’t imagine how awful that must be.

All I can think is if the North has all these restrictions and cases are still going up WITH restrictions as people are just tired of having no life- again, no blame there, I understand people are only human- surely if there is no vaccine in January, or even an alternative strategy, I really don’t think the government are going to have enough control to get compliance on further restrictions. Maybe even sooner.

Perhaps I am even unreasonable to suggest the gov has control now. I’m in the South and already all of my friends have said they will ignore restrictions on households not mixing.

So AIBU to think a lot will change with the “new year,” vaccine or not?

Also I’m sorry if this thread seems overwhelmingly negative! I’ve tried to stay positive but with rising cases again and more restrictions, I’m simply struggling to care about the virus anymore. I followed everything to the letter the first time, I’m in an at risk group, but now I’m more concerned about my financial situation, my job, etc... I’ve become very desensitised to the virus itself, apart from still worrying about spreading it to my elderly relatives

There won't be large scale vaccinations in January. They might have found a couple of vaccines but it takes a while to roll it out.

I'm assuming things will settle by next May. Any sooner and I'll be pleasantly surprised, and suspicious .

I'm in a local lock down area (which seems to have been forgotten about I don't think our rules have changed for months) and nobody is listening to rules, neighbours are constantly at each others houses, or people are following different rules (so children under 11 not counting in rule of 6 etc) nobody is even bothering social distancing anymore.
I'm trying my best but I miss my mum, my cousin had a baby I've never seen, my little girl hasn't seen grandparents but we can have strangers in our house to sell it.
I can see why people already have lockdown fatigue.

Most people I know are thinking about the spring, the sun getting stronger and the natural ebb of the winter virus season. Hoping that spring comes early, and that there is concrete news on a vaccine before the end of the summer.

And trying to live in the present - just getting through the next bit, seeing how it goes.

I think most people have given up now!!!! I really do. Not all of course..some are still law abiding/scared. But most now are applying their own sense to the situation which is not surprising due to the length of time this has gone on and the flip flopping by the Governement..

No way will people hold out til January. Many have already given up. The rest have a few weeks of compliance left on them I reckon.

The government better be thinking hard about how they’re going to manage christmas when no one’s listening to them and the good will is gone. Unless the Oxford Vaccine saves their ass before that.

Have they missed all the news where it from 6 months being end of March to suddenly talking about things not improving untill after April and potentially telling older and vulnerable people to shield indefinitely

Goalpost is being moved constantly so better to set expectations that ext yr is a write off aswell

I’m currently sat on the tube - in my carriage of 15 people, I can see one person not bothering with a mask at all and five wearing them incorrectly or half arsed. This is the second time I’ve been on the tube for 6 months...and I think the last for a long time given what I have seen. People are already giving up (or just too gormless to care...)

I’m tempted to say something to the idiot who isn’t wearing one but screaming down his phone to his mates, but I feel too vulnerable to do it.

And another woman has just come on without a mask, as I typed this message

You don't know why they don't have masks on!!!!! Don't assume they are idiots!!! They may be of course...but its not your business!!!!!!

SKY is reporting support for restrictions staying in place

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britons-feel-christmas-gatherings-should-be-sacrificed-in-fight-against-covid-19-poll-says-12099604

I've never hear anyone say they think there will be a vaccine by January. A few I have seen think Spring or Summer, and many think it will be longer or never.

TBH, my sense is the people who are thinking of a limited time are the people who are more anxious or strict rule-followers, and need to see an end in sight.

I also think many people are no longer following rules privately, and at Christmas a lot of people will throw in the towel. And like a pp said, a lot of the people I am seeing who have clearly given up are older people who are supposedly more at risk. Many people simply see that the regulations seem to be illogical and it ticks them off, and other people have stopped keeping up with the constant little changes or become confused.

I suspect authorities in many places are aware of this. I'm not in the UK, but locally to me I have heard that there almost certainly will not be another lockdown whatever happens, and they have given up on tracing and will probably not up testing either - and we have reasonable numbers compared to a lot of places. (This is from family members I have involved in the Covid planning, not random rumors.) They have found that with people out of lockdown tracing has become an impossible task, and they know the social fabric won't be able to manage the level of restrictions we had earlier.

I can see why people already have lockdown fatigue.

It's not really an already though. It has been well known in epidemic management for ears that people have about six weeks where they can accept significant behavioural changes like this. We passed that long ago. It's one of the reasons behind the Swedish approach which was meant to create a long term new set of habits in the population.

Think non compliance will continue/increase, esp around xmas, unless perhaps deaths go sky high, and perhaps even then.

I think Easter. When the weather gets better the virus will recede for a time and by the time it turns again, we’ll have a vaccine.

Don’t think speculation about a vaccine being found / timing is a key driver.

Back in June people were saying September and now its January...

I think lots of people need to have an end date in mind, it helps to get through things. Come January people will probably be saying April etc.

The one's who are still following guidelines will still be doing it in January and beyond, a lot of people have given up already.

Apart from meeting up in houses, and meeting in bigger groups, I don't see what people can do when they think fuck it. If they don't wear masks, they won't get in. If places are closed, people can't go to them.

Even if we have a vaccine in January it won't be a silver bullet. Some people won't want to take it which raises ethical and political issues: for instance, should you force a 10 year old to be vaccinated against a condition that won't harm him, when the vaccine has been rushed out and not subject to the usual analysis of long term side effects? Some people will be unable to take it (for instance those with weakened immune systems). Some people will take it but it won't work so well for them - for example the very elderly (ironically). The vaccine itself may reduce symptoms, but not transmission. Rolling the vaccine out globally will be a huge endeavour (and it would need to be globally). It would take a very prolonged period to achieve it - this isn't something that can be done in 2 months.
Even when its rolled out, there will be question marks about the duration of the protection it offers. (The government are now arguing that the immunity acquired through actually having Covid is only temporary: so why would the immunity offered by the vaccine be different?)
If people are counting on a vaccine to get us out of the hole Boris Johnson has dug and thrown us into there is likely to be disappointment ahead.

some are still law abiding/scared. But most now are applying their own sense to the situation I love the way those who don't abide by the rules/guidance see themselves as "having sense" and everyone else as being "scared" or "law-abiding" (as if being law abiding were a bad thing).

[quote AllPowerfulLizardPerson]SKY is reporting support for restrictions staying in place

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britons-feel-christmas-gatherings-should-be-sacrificed-in-fight-against-covid-19-poll-says-12099604[/quote]
Yeah, and we were all super pumped to give the Axis powers what for (except we weren't, it was all propaganda to keep the populace calm and in line).

I do believe that we're being told what to think, through propaganda, and that some sort of censorship is now in place.

When unemployment is 20% and there are no public services left - people will give up.

The virus was never ever going to be contained by lock down. That was never the point. Back in march they spoke about camels humps and lowering both peaks of the 1st and 2nd waves...

They Did that, gave us all a break and now.. We are facing the worst.

But we are buying time, every single day thousands of the best scientists are working on treatments, vaccines etc.
There will be a break through. We just need to bide time

Glad, then it will be exactly the same as the flu vaccine!

It protects us as a one off every winter. It starts to wane at 3 months.

So covid vaccine like flu will get us through winter!

@AuntieStella

Most people I know are thinking about the spring, the sun getting stronger and the natural ebb of the winter virus season. Hoping that spring comes early, and that there is concrete news on a vaccine before the end of the summer.

And trying to live in the present - just getting through the next bit, seeing how it goes.

This describes me, my friends, family & colleagues. We haven't given up. We stick to the rules (in the main part) and accept them. We aren't in a lockdown area, or a potential lockdown area.

Most have given up already. Some will backtrack when the death toll gets high again but I suspect it'll be too late by then.

I thought September was when it all got better.

Is January the new September?