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COVID CLUSTER IN NURSERY

75 replies

WeeSunhine2018 · 08/10/2020 21:56

Hi all

Just looking for your thoughts on this??

I have a 2 year old son that attends nursery.

He attends a Monday Tuesday morning.

On Tuesday 6th Oct I recieve a call at 8pm stating someone at nursery tested positive at nursery and results came back that day. Said my was in direct contact with them and for him to isolate for 14 days not rest of my family. (that's fair enough as that's gov guidance as silly as that seems but anywho.)

Long story short - I discovered the nursery new about this confirmed covid cade on Monday 11am and continued to have my son in that room without closing it down for deep clean and even worse let him attend on the Tuesday and didn't notify me until Tuesday 8pm. Come on surely there's a duty of care to make us aware so I can make the safest decision for my son.

I am raging about this esocially when u have a primary 2 child and a new born baby that has now developed a cough.

The nursery are not taking me seriously and fobbing me off. Any suggestions x

OP posts:
StellaGib · 09/10/2020 09:40

I’m also not clear about the timeline?
Do you mean the staff member stayed at work with symptoms on Monday, then got tested on Tuesday and had the results Tuesday night?
Or worked between getting tested and getting results?

When their was a confirmed case (child) at our nursery, they immediately closed - then once they managed to get advice from Public Health they informed parents who was a close contact.

Also, staff at my nursery do wear masks and social distance from other adults not the children. So they’re in ppe at drop off/pick up or when moving around the building, but not in the rooms with the children.

Nicknacky · 09/10/2020 09:41

Why don’t you pull your child from the nursery and have the person who is caring for your newborn look after them both?

You are being unrealistic. Does the person who is looking after your newborn wear a mask all the time?

theboardgame · 09/10/2020 09:41

@WeeSunhine2018

Mother piglet - they didn't get results Tuesday and told me Tuesday evening

As above I previously stated they got results Monday 11am and told me Tuesday 8pm

That sounds like a normal way of dealing with it.
SoVeryLost · 09/10/2020 10:04

@WeeSunhine2018

I'm gunna leave it there I'm dealing with a bunch of halfwits this morning

Good bye

Your anger at the situation is the issue. I get that it is frustrating however, the nursery have followed the regulations.

It could easily take a whole day to get through to the health board (PHE?) lots of educational settings are having similar issues and if they are all trying to get through it can take some time.

Dawnlassie · 09/10/2020 12:32

If they had to shut when a kid was ill and no test results they'd never be open!

This

MindyStClaire · 09/10/2020 12:51

Adults working together in a nursery can't social distance from each other any more than they can from the children. They need to be able to pass children to each other, help children eating at the same table, play with children sitting next to each other etc. Can you social distance from your partner while you're in the same room looking after your children together?

I also have a newborn and a toddler at nursery. I think you're being very unfair on the nursery.

Freddiefox · 09/10/2020 16:11

It’s really stressful managing a nursery at the moment. No social distancing expected.
No masks.
Just wash your hands.
The guidance changes a lot because the GOV aren’t able to offer the services so they have to change it.
The guidance on what to do if a child has Covid is dire.
The track and trace system which is heavily relied upon in the guidance doesn’t really work.
Staff are scared.
Parents moan. Either we are took risk averse or not enough.

Staff are unable to social distance but try.

You can’t win, op I can well believe it took public heath a long time to get back to the nursery.

Heyahun · 09/10/2020 17:47

Nurseries are exempt from mask wearing though - you don’t put it one everytime another adult comes near - that would be ridiculous!! Of course the staff aren’t socially distancing either they are all working together in the rooms with the children - social distancing won’t be happening.

I think nursery is just not for you to be be honest! Just withdraw your child - you expect too much

Char2015 · 09/10/2020 17:51

@WeeSunhine2018

I'm gunna leave it there I'm dealing with a bunch of halfwits this morning

Good bye

You come on here looking for advice. Because you have not heard what you want to hear you call us all halfwits. Perhaps don't ask for our advice if you don't want to hear it in the future.
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 09/10/2020 19:12

@WeeSunhine2018

I am isolating my son and don't need YOU to tell me to chill out. I've got a newborn that I'm trying to protect from this and it's ridiculous that the nursery are dragging their heels telling parents about a positive case when I could have taken him out earlier.
Why would you be using a group setting like a nursery if trying to protect a newborn. Surely it’s safer to keep the toddler at home with you.
Gottheteeshirtandlostit · 09/10/2020 19:26

Don't understand why OP is getting such a hard time.

Nursery got a positive result and took a day and half to notify parents. Why did the nursery have to wait for advice on what to do? Why doesn't nursery have a protocol to deal with this situation immediately they get notification of conformed Covid in staff or children? IE. 'Mary in bubble B tested positive - immediately set about sending home all in bubble B.' Or whatever the protocol is.

Just had the same situation in our local primary school. Kid and teacher both tested positive, cue massive faffing around as senior management decided what to do. Result - no action taken for a day and half. I get that we are trying to keep schools etc open but the way to achieve that is not by stalling the inevitable - send the bubble/and or close contacts into isolation to await symptoms.

Char2015 · 09/10/2020 19:34

@Gottheteeshirtandlostit

Don't understand why OP is getting such a hard time.

Nursery got a positive result and took a day and half to notify parents. Why did the nursery have to wait for advice on what to do? Why doesn't nursery have a protocol to deal with this situation immediately they get notification of conformed Covid in staff or children? IE. 'Mary in bubble B tested positive - immediately set about sending home all in bubble B.' Or whatever the protocol is.

Just had the same situation in our local primary school. Kid and teacher both tested positive, cue massive faffing around as senior management decided what to do. Result - no action taken for a day and half. I get that we are trying to keep schools etc open but the way to achieve that is not by stalling the inevitable - send the bubble/and or close contacts into isolation to await symptoms.

Firstly, the protocol is determined by DFE/PHE, not the school/nursery. Government are quite clear that when their is a positive case, whether it be staff or child, they should ring DFE/PHE for advice and what protocol to follow. Unfortunately, the waiting times to receive this advice is quite lengthy in some cases.

OP, was also not very clear on the when the positive case came through. She's claimed results came through on both Monday and Tuesday and changed her story at every given opportunity.

Gottheteeshirtandlostit · 09/10/2020 19:51

From Op's first post. 'On Tuesday 6th Oct I received a call at 8pm stating someone at nursery tested positive at nursery and results came back that day. Said my was in direct contact with them and for him to isolate for 14 days.

Long story short - I discovered the nursery new about this confirmed covid cade on Monday 11am and continued to have my son in that room without closing it down for deep clean and even worse let him attend on the Tuesday and didn't notify me until Tuesday 8pm.'

The OP didn't change her story - she was clear from the start that the positive result came on Monday and she was notified that her child was a close contact on the Tuesday evening. This is too long. Why does the nursery have to wait in order to execute the legal precautions - ie anyone who has been in close contact with a positive case has to isolate for x days or until they develop symptoms? Why do they have to wait for permission to act in accordance with the law? Where does it say they have to wait, and if it does then is it any bloody wonder that cases are skyrocketing?

Gottheteeshirtandlostit · 09/10/2020 19:53

Char2015 - Does the advice to wait apply in Scotland, or England, or both?

OverTheRainbow88 · 09/10/2020 19:54

Surely when you decided to send your child back to nursery you were aware there would be no masks and no social distancing. This is very obvious since I hand my kids over at the door and the staff carry my youngest to the baby room.

Yes, I agree with you about being annoyed they didn’t tell you straight away, but I guess they’re were following their guidelines and awaiting advice.

If you are that concerned maybe it’s worth keeping your toddler at home with you while you are off work with baby?

Nonamesavail · 09/10/2020 19:56

I would not be sending mine to nursery if they were social distancing tbh.

Char2015 · 09/10/2020 20:16

@Gottheteeshirtandlostit

From Op's first post. 'On Tuesday 6th Oct I received a call at 8pm stating someone at nursery tested positive at nursery and results came back that day. Said my was in direct contact with them and for him to isolate for 14 days.

Long story short - I discovered the nursery new about this confirmed covid cade on Monday 11am and continued to have my son in that room without closing it down for deep clean and even worse let him attend on the Tuesday and didn't notify me until Tuesday 8pm.'

The OP didn't change her story - she was clear from the start that the positive result came on Monday and she was notified that her child was a close contact on the Tuesday evening. This is too long. Why does the nursery have to wait in order to execute the legal precautions - ie anyone who has been in close contact with a positive case has to isolate for x days or until they develop symptoms? Why do they have to wait for permission to act in accordance with the law? Where does it say they have to wait, and if it does then is it any bloody wonder that cases are skyrocketing?

'On Tuesday 6th Oct I received a call at 8pm stating someone at nursery tested positive at nursery and results came back that day'

This reads as the results came back that day - meaning Tuesday. No?
She was then contacted at 8pm - the same day she said results came back.

It's only a legal requirement if you test positive or are told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace. The contact between nursery/school and DFE/PHE acts as NHS Test and Trace/Protect contact. The nursery/school then feeds this advice back to parents/students.

In Scotland:

If there's a positive case in your child's school or nursery

When someone in a local school tests positive for COVID-19, either a pupil or member of staff, an extensive risk assessment is carried out by:

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde health board
the school/nursery
our environmental health team

Char2015 · 09/10/2020 20:20

@Gottheteeshirtandlostit

Char2015 - Does the advice to wait apply in Scotland, or England, or both?
The advice is not to wait.

The advice is to ring DFE/PHE or equivalent as soon as positive case is confirmed. Sometimes it needs escalation to a higher level which can then take longer to get the appropriate advice. This is the fault of Gov/DFE/PHE not schools or nurseries. I'm sure they want an instant decision and guidance. Unfortunately, in some cases they are not getting this.

Terrace58 · 09/10/2020 20:22

I would just not trust that nursery anymore with your child.

Where I live, nursery staff wear masks. It’s especially important since babies and toddlers can’t wear them.

MotherPiglet · 10/10/2020 00:29

If you change when the person got a positive result from Tuesday to Monday half way through your post people arent going to make sense of it OP.

Maybe look back at this when your calmer and hopefully you'll realise it's not the rest of the world struggling to get the staff not wearing masks into our skulls.. it's you.
Nursery staff arent going to wear masks all day, the same as teachers dont. They cant socially distance and they are caring for your child and multiple other children. If you didnt want the risk from staff, keep them at home with you. Clearly you're sending them to nursery for a reason and of course at the moment it comes with risks.

Maybe there was a delay in your being told, and I understand your frustration, but dont take it out on the rest of us.

Hun.

MeBingandBong · 21/10/2020 10:05

I think the problem is right there - people are waiting on Government guidance- the same Government that’s now refusing to go into lockdown even though there’s more confirmed cases than ever now.

I personally believe that the nursery should have informed all parents of this positive case on the Monday morning when it was first brought to their attention, regardless of whether they’d been in contact with Public Health as of that point, in order to allow parents to make an informed decision as to whether they want their child to eventually return. I definitely would have collected my child immediately no matter how inconvenient the timing may have been. I feel the nursery should have closed on the Monday there and then, instructed that parents and carers pick their children up immediately, and start letting staff members go home as appropriate according to ratios as the children are departing. Once everyone’s gone, owner/manager should have organised a deep clean and contacted public health for further advice on how to proceed the following day. Telling parents to collect their kids from 11am onwards would have been inconvenient for everyone, but in times like these, (where everyone in the world is experiencing the same dilemma, there should be some leeway for working parents to drop what they’re doing and collect their children - it’s in the interest of everyone’s safety not just that one family who may be affected).

I’m currently experiencing a similar situation with my DD’s nursery. They did everything ‘by the book’ in terms of managing a confirmed positive test among the children in DD’s class. HOWEVER, whilst it’s not the nursery’s fault, I feel the public should be questioning the Government’s guidelines and the extremely delayed responses to COVID overall, from refusing to go into lockdown, the contradictive rules they’ve given to pubs, right down to how long we all have to wait for a covid test result to come back. I had to wait 4 days to know whether my child had COVID, she stayed off of nursery for that week just in case. But when it has the potential to kill thousands upon thousands of people from simply being in the same room as someone else, and the government only worry about the economy (agreed its important and comes with its own detrimental consequences), that’s where the problem lies. We’re still putting the economy (MONEY) before the lives of our own children, parents, siblings, grandparents, neighbours, and ourselves, to name a few. It’s lovely for those those that display no symptoms and go about their day blissfully ignorant, spreading a deadly virus to someone else’s child, mum, dad, nan or grandad. Why not? After all, we feel fine and have a life to live, plus we’ll never find out if we’ve indirectly killed someone.

That, too, is following Government guidance. So I agree, everyone should be using their initiative in the interim when awaiting public health advice.

MeBingandBong · 21/10/2020 10:10

Absolutely! Well said. I think there are a lot of half witted people on this thread lol

OrangeLeavesYellowLeaves · 21/10/2020 10:14

Agree with MeBingandBong.

Doing the least but "according to the rules" is weak. I'd not be happy either.

Freshhel · 21/10/2020 11:23

Biscuit give me strength

Luciey · 21/10/2020 11:45

"On Tuesday 6th Oct I received a call at 8pm stating someone at nursery tested positive at nursery and results came back that day'

This reads as the results came back that day - meaning Tuesday. No?
She was then contacted at 8pm - the same day she said results came back."

NO!!... she said that's what the nursery told her on Tuesday. In the next paragraph the OP states they actually found out on Monday i.e they lied to the OP about when they knew of a positive case....

OP, sorry that some people are having such a hard time comprehending this. I would be beyond angry. Our nursery notified us the same day for a hand foot and mouth case, so it's madness that there aren't protocols in place for notifying parents of Covid cases.

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