It’s only the North

[Vikingess]

There are now more Covid patients in hospitals in Manchester than there were after lockdown in March including some students in intensive care. People on here are still bleating about missing birthday parties. Do it matter less because it’s “only in the North”?

We are a comparatively tiny island and our population live cheek by jowl.

This North/South business is ridiculous.

@SirSamuelVimes - during lockdown/restrictions

Ilkley Moor's barred, twat

@Youngatheart00

From what I can see, people aren’t complying with the existing guidance in ‘the north’ and are moaning about the current restrictions let alone tightening them.

Ie Bolton - campaigning to reopen pubs, surrounding areas busy, lots of covid deniers. In Liverpool - crowds of young people in the city centre drinking and singing after the 10pm curfew.

I don’t see what you’re asking for? For every person they please, the government will piss another off. That’s the nature of the beast.

Because we’re all exactly the same up north of course 🤨

I can't gulp but think they'd be doing a lot more if the south was affected. Nottingham is now the worst affected area, yet we're not getting any government measures until Wednesday at the earliest. The local councils are trying to get the message out, but they don't have the voice that the government has. Goodness knows how bad things will be in a weeks time.

Silver, probably. :(

• gulp = help, although gulp seems quite appropriate!

Pelleas the KLF need to look at a map.... Derby is further south than Nottingham. Practically a suburb of Birmingham.

The frustration is that the restrictions are put in place with no financial package to support those who are not working due to businesses being closed. We have a lot of small manufacturing firms here who work out of cramped workshops - with the new furlough rules they are laying people off. The other choice is to run the business into the ground.
Public transport here is really poor and cramped - it is impossible to socially distance on a pacer train if more than 10 people get on. But as the trains only run a couple an hour people have no choice but to cram on.

Of course many people are complying but it doesn't help when the covid deniers get fired up on social media and go on about it all being a big conspiracy etc etc.
it's an impossible situation all round :(

[quote GlacindaTheTroll]@SirSamuelVimes - during lockdown/restrictions

Ilkley Moor's barred, twat[/quote]

@IvorHughJarrs

Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester, has suggested that the problem has arisen because the decisions on locking down and reopening were based on London experience. The North was weeks behind so the amount of virus still in circulation was higher than that in London as it had not come down so far from the peak so it has roared back from a stronger foothold I haven't seen evidence of that but it sounds logical

I've looked at figures and they do seem to back this up.

I'm south (Hants) and we were one of the first areas hit and hard. Currently we are still low but we have only just had weather change and we were much lower after lockdown ended because we started earlier.

People are right about the divide.

We didn't have testing back in March but it's predicted cases were 100-200k a day. We aren't close to that yet and we don't actually have exact data-of cases on hotspots back then.

But is it is hard to understand how north is suffering but we need to work nationally. I almost had a shock today when my town of 120k population posted 6 positives a few days ago. That seemed huge.

The truth is it isn't but also despite cases remaining 1-4 a day for 4-5 weeks we could start to see 6/7/8 and then 20/30 a day creeping in.

I have a fear complacency will start to cause issues because compared to north we are doing well. But we could easily get to that point again.

The west and east midlands are similar to the north because they are very similar post industrial districts. Very large numbers of a similar socio economic group (AKA the working class) compared to the south

Imo people are misunderstanding the restrictions because they’re not nationwide. My mum was telling me about visiting her friend and was surprised when I said she’s not allowed. She said the rule is six? I said not if you live here! But she’s seen the BBC news and national newspapers so assumed the rules they discussed applied to everyone.

[quote GlacindaTheTroll]@SirSamuelVimes - during lockdown/restrictions

Ilkley Moor's barred, twat[/quote]

I'm in the North.
Don't believe it, we're just the ones being punished the most.
Perhaps we don't make enough money up here.
Yes, I do know somebody who died. I know others who have had it.
I'm not a denier, but something isn't adding up to a lot of people round here.

I'm not northern myself, but my son is at university in the north.

Are there areas where the rule if six (or stricter) doesn't apply?

Ilkley Moor's barred, twat

Having a bit of a funny turn at the thought of such a thing

I despair! In many Northern areas we have been unable to meet anyone outside our homes and gardens since July and can’t meet up in pubs etc. How do you not know that?

I have a fear complacency will start to cause issues because compared to north we are doing well. But we could easily get to that point again.

Yes. I think a lot of whats happening in the north is complacency. I'm not having a go at northerners, I'm a northerner myself and guilty of it too, but there has been an attitude of back to normal that has crept in in the last few months. Also someone here or on another thread, said that the local lockdowns were not strict enough or the rule of six, I think this is true. I'm in a local lockdown area and not much actually seemed to change when I think back TBH

I'm not a denier, but something isn't adding up to a lot of people round here.

Go on then @Devlesko share your's and your fellow compatriots thoughts on the things not adding up malarkey.

The northern economy is just as important as anywhere else surely? People go out to pubs and restaurants and spend money .
I can understand why they feel picked on though , but I also can feel the complacency around here and I'm sure we will all be in the same boat sooner or later.
But then I know nothing of course and it's all about G 5 and Bill Gates microchipping us all 🙄 or whatever the daily mail readers think is going on etc etc.
who knows? I don't but I feel for the old and vulnerable and the young and wishing our lives could go back to normal.

Stealth yes in GM you cannot socialise outside your own household or bubble. That is inside or outside.

the KLF need to look at a map.... Derby is further south than Nottingham. Practically a suburb of Birmingham

In fairness I think they were tranced out in a haze of early 90s Northern illegal raves when they wrote it!

Who me? I'm in one of the stricter areas, no meet ups at all. Where my mum and dad live rule of six applies I believe. I thought the rule of six applied generally where there weren't stricter rules.

People keep saying ' the north' what is the north it isn't one big entity.

I don't even get in the figures why the Yorkshire and the north east get combined.

Yorkshire (it's made up of different counties) but as a whole it's the biggest county in UK.