Loads of cases and thousands self isolating but how many are actually really ill?

[Marcellemouse]

I'm interested to know this. I know there's thousands self isolating after being in close contact plus thousands of positive cases. Mass disruption to education and work places but is this proportional to how ill most people are?

cornet most restrictions the government has lifted have been grabbed with open arms by the public.
Be that work, education, leisure. Everything.
Each one has been met by horror on MN, and a prediction that the inevitable rise in cases will ruin the economy anyway, when people react by voluntarily locking down.

But there is no evidence of that.

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer I agree and it comes down to belief at this point whichever side you fall on.

@HelloMissus I also agree with your post except I would argue the larger picture that most restrictions have been lifted against a backdrop of falling numbers

For consequences regarding the economy and healthcare and wider repercussions I think it’s too early to tell whether the limited evidence we have is a reliable indicator or not.

From my perspective it’s completely the wrong time of year to start looking at lifting restrictions given the health and societal problems winter generally brings anyway and asking for trouble.

@namechanged984630

The issue this this virus is deadly to older people. So even if you're not ill, you isolate to contain it so you don't spread it to someone else

Not all older people. In fact, not even 'most' older people. The vast majority of people who have been shielding due to being older or having underlying health issues would be absolutely fine.

My 80yo gran batted it off like it was nothing. My 80yo grandad was poorly and had to go to hospital in March, but he's absolutely fine now and living his normal life again.

They might be 'more likely' to become unwell from the virus, but it's still important to keep the perspective and remember that even if you're in your 90s you're still more likely to recover than not.

Restrictions weren't necessarily lifted alongside falling local numbers though. The national lockdown timetable has essentially followed London. I'm in GM and people were extremely enthusiastically going to pubs throighout July despite our rates rising at this time.

openly and I’d put good money on every seat selling out if they opened Old Trafford.
Maybe the Etihad could even manage it

To be fair openly most people aren’t following their local numbers over national ones unless it’s affecting them on an individual level. Add to that peoples natural confirmation bias people will put more weight to a national headline over a local one if it benefits them. That doesn’t mean it’s in the interests of the locality for everyone to do that.

@Cornettoninja

To be fair openly most people aren’t following their local numbers over national ones unless it’s affecting them on an individual level. Add to that peoples natural confirmation bias people will put more weight to a national headline over a local one if it benefits them. That doesn’t mean it’s in the interests of the locality for everyone to do that.

This is an assumption. Have you got any evidence?

cornet you think people in Greater Manchester can’t count?

Honestly, you’ve gone from saying that people voluntarily lockdown when numbers rise to saying they’re not doing that because they don’t know/understand on the turn of a penny.

He truth is this bit of the lockdown argument doesn’t stand.

And really, local figures are something of an obsession in GM. People are very well aware of them and how high they currently are, and yet as a populace continue to go to pubs, restaurants and engage in permitted activities and some unpermitted.

This is an assumption. Have you got any evidence?

Nope, not a thing. pure conjecture

In my defence I was specifically referring to the time period over the summer as restrictions were lifted before long local tougher restrictions were implemented anywhere. It raised peoples confidence which so far hasn’t been particularly dented - even as numbers have continued to rise.

I’m not arguing for lockdown, I’m arguing against reckless lifting of restrictions. It’s not the same thing.

Either way, any suggestion that people in GM haven't been paying attention to our own local rates because hey, it isn't so bad down south elsewhere, indicates that the person making it isn't familiar with the reality of life here. That is... not a very Mancunian way of thinking.

The fact is, people in local restriction areas have continued to do the things we're allowed to do, and more. Often while our rates have been higher than they were during actual lockdown. These examples, comprising millions of people, indicate that there are evidently significant proportions of the population who want to do what they're allowed to do and who evidently aren't factoring covid rates in. The most obvious explanation for this, applying Occam's Razor, is that a cohort exists who are prioritising leisure activities over minimising risk. It makes no more sense to exclude this evidence than it does to ignore that some people voluntarily limit their activities more than they're legally required to.

its so fucking ridiculous.

If someone has symptoms, then they need a quick test with a fast result and other people in the office need testing too.
or rolling out the 30 min antibody test to at least determine who has been in contact and needs further testing and who doesnt, like they are doing at essex uni

we all just took a week off and isolated because of a temperature.
Negative. We need to improve testing as thats a week off school that could have easily just been a day or two if the government actually invested in testing.
What a shitshow.

@Branleuse

we all just took a week off and isolated because of a temperature. Negative. We need to improve testing as thats a week off school that could have easily just been a day or two if the government actually invested in testing. What a shitshow.

So frustrating isn't it?

DNeph (10) back at school finally and absolutely loving it. One child tests positive, so whole class are off for 2 weeks. He's gutted.

There must a more efficient way than this.