How the hell

[Ellsbells12]

Can this end (sorry been asked before) I mean city's all locking down, how much longer can this go on for ? People can't take much more , jobs losses , suicides (friend of a friend killed himself weds) I am sure everyone feels the same

Realistically all this may have been over quicker if we hadn't bothered with lockdown but possibly with a greater number of fatalities.

This is true and let’s see how Sweden do. But people in this country won’t tolerate ‘a greater number of fatalities’. They will accuse any government of ‘murder’ if this happens. Interesting to see if attitudes change.

Aragog, I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope that the decision that your Nan made to visit family brings some comfort to you and yours.

On the subject of 'another 2 years lost', in a way, lots of us have already been through that. I was seriously ill with a potentially fatal condition. It took me 2 years to get through operations, additional therapies, incapacitation, and brought with it all the emotional, practical, and financial hardship you can imagine. It seemed never ending.

But here I am. Recovered, pray to god, back on my feet. I've done some of the things I wasn't able to. Been on holiday, late nights, long walks, catching up with family across the country. Some things, from having another baby to rock climbing, I'll never be able to do. But I'm here, I'm counting my blessings, and drawing on that experience I know that this too shall pass.

It will pass for you all too.

@Tootsey11

We cannot mix households in Northern Ireland. For those of you saying you can't see elderly parents, if it was me, if they can come to their front door and sit or stand and have a conversation while I stand 10 feet away, that would be no different to a postman dropping a parcel off or a food delivery be left off and those people talking to you from a distance. Does that make sense?

I really don't see what or how that could harm anyone if you are a considerable distance between each other. No different to doing your shopping and speaking to someone you know in a shop. I don't get all these comments of 'I can't see this person or that person'. Yes you can, just do it sensibly.

I can’t. I’m in a Welsh lockdown area and my daughter lives in an different one, my other family in yet another one. I can’t see them anywhere as none of us are allowed to leave our counties. So it’s not the same for everyone and maybe you don’t understand everybody else’s situation to be able to tell them they are being silly and could have it better if they used their brains.

@Ginogineli

To be fair I’m in Liverpool which has one of the most severe restrictions and nothing’s changed

I can still go cinema, for food, take kids ice skating and go theme parks

Gyms etc and kids after school dance and gymnastics all still on so it’s hardly severe

I’m still at work - off shopping in town today to L1. I can go anywhere really with my own family!

If I want to meet friends we go for walks or get a takeaway. I’ll even go to a beer garden and sit on separate tables. Technically we can’t go cinema but once ur inside no one would know!

Yes you can still do stuff but it is no fun. Everything has to be booked, or planned, masks, one way systems, the worry of track and trace and having to SI.

It's cold, it's wet so sitting outside is rubbish.

I'm not sure being able to go shopping really compensates for everything else.

@Ginogineli

Actually just double checked - even in places like Liverpool you can sit in beer gardens with friends as rules only apply indoors

Even Liverpool. But not Wales. Not unless everyone you want to see lives in the same lockdown area as you. Not unless you stay 2m away, even outdoors.

There are no legal rules outside cardi in Liverpool other than rule of 6

Not sure about wales but here I can go to a beer garden in group of 6 without 2m

2m is guidance now law

To be fair I’m in Liverpool which has one of the most severe restrictions and nothing’s changed

Well I’m in the NE which has some of the most severe and everything has changed for me. I’ve been working from my spare room for 6 months and it’s shit. I don’t want to go to a theme park, I want to see my family, so it’s shit. I don’t want to go shopping and buy a load of useless rat, I want to go to church, so it’s shit. I don’t want to take my daughter ice skating, I want her to see her cousins and grandparents, so it’s shit.

I personally feel making it illegal to meet anyone outside your own household indoors and advising against it out of doors is pretty severe.

@Ginogineli

There are no legal rules outside cardi in Liverpool other than rule of 6

Not sure about wales but here I can go to a beer garden in group of 6 without 2m

2m is guidance now law

Yes that’s my point. Liverpool’s rules aren’t as strict as ours. So you can’t say it’s all ok because yours let you do stuff. Mine don’t.

Cardi where in wales are you as it says online you can still meet outside?

I want to sing in a group again, I want to see my friends and their children, I want to meet my new niece. I don't want to go to a theme park, I don't want to take my child to an ice rink. My husband has been WFH for 7 months and has seen 14 other non family members in that time. That's not healthy.

@BikeTyson

To be fair I’m in Liverpool which has one of the most severe restrictions and nothing’s changed

Well I’m in the NE which has some of the most severe and everything has changed for me. I’ve been working from my spare room for 6 months and it’s shit. I don’t want to go to a theme park, I want to see my family, so it’s shit. I don’t want to go shopping and buy a load of useless rat, I want to go to church, so it’s shit. I don’t want to take my daughter ice skating, I want her to see her cousins and grandparents, so it’s shit.

I personally feel making it illegal to meet anyone outside your own household indoors and advising against it out of doors is pretty severe.

Same for me, I am struggling to find the silver linings here.

Why can’t your husband go for meals with friends? The lockdown rules in most areas only changed last month or so?

All summer it’s been allowed almost everywhere?

I’m not saying it’s perfect but only very recently it’s got tougher

You’ve been able to go out and about with others July- sept

Because lots of them have lost jobs and can't afford to go out. Why should thy have to pay to see each other? How is it more safe for them to be in a restaurant rather than in a house? The real answer is that it isn't.

July- Sept we did see people, hence the 14.

Well July to September has gone, now for some of us it is illegal to go for a meal with others and advised against outdoors.

My nan says this is far worse than the war too. She's in local lockdown and hasn't seen anyone in weeks. How is that OK? It's shit.

Who says it's ok? It's not ok but that doesn't mean there's a grown up waiting in the wings to hand out a better solution where it's safe for your relative to be out and about. There isn't always a better way.

Yet how is it mentally safe for an 87 year old to go months without seeing people? Living out the last few years of your life like that is no life.

Well my nan lives alone and I see her everyday🤷‍♀️ Single people alone are part of your bubble and can come and go your house whenever they want

Rules aside I don’t think many would leave an isolated family member alone no matter what the rules are

They can't in local lockdown areas.

@Hercwasonaroll

They can't in local lockdown areas.

Is that right? You can in Scotland and Wales. I can’t keep up with the rules.

NE are only supposed to be doing essential travel, so that rules out pretty much everything.

Just Googled, they changed the rule yesterday about local lockdown and single people.

@Fawnfour

No, not everyone feels the same. People are seriously ill and dying for crying out loud, get a grip.

Exactly. There are a lot more problems, illnesses and death than are caused by Covid.

Time to get a grip and get to work on all the problems we face.

I'm in NE local lockdown. From the start, we have still been able to maintain our support bubbles.

The NE lockeown is same as Liverpool and you can travel where you want - it’s advice

Visiting vulnerable family members has always been allowed even at the height of lockdown in March and April

Essential travel only is strongly advised.