How the hell

[Ellsbells12]

Can this end (sorry been asked before) I mean city's all locking down, how much longer can this go on for ? People can't take much more , jobs losses , suicides (friend of a friend killed himself weds) I am sure everyone feels the same

@Woundedadmiral

My mental health is totally fragile because of this and the constant fear of losing our income, jobs, house. I have a constant dread inside me, everything is uncertain and I have no trust in our government. My mum and friends feel the same. My elderly mother said ‘if I am banned from seeing my family, I might as well dig my own grave now’. She’s 86.

As much as I sympathise with how awful this is for everyone and some more than others, that is not rational. We do need to find ways of enjoying what is available and learning to cope with things as they are. An unchecked covid pandemic would be devastating for your health and pocket.

We're not a rational nation.

I think we are beginning to see cracks in society - it’s here on MN. Those of us managing to carry on versus those whose lives are falling apart for a range of reasons.

Crucially, such little empathy. Blaming, patronising. Very sad to watch.

No, not everyone feels the same.
People are seriously ill and dying for crying out loud, get a grip.

I'm in the north. We've stuck to the rules. 3 jobs out of 4 gone in the family, haven't seen dd since March, ds working for £4 an hour, zero hours contract. Close family member suicidal.

All very lovely if you are furloughed, wfh, baking with the kids, can pay your bills. Sounds blissful.

Not the same for all of us though. So try not to be too smug.

Crucially, such little empathy.

Crucially, feeling empathy but not arriving at a different solution. Because there isn't one.

We're not a rational nation.

Good job we don't get to make the decisions then. That really requires evidence based practice...

I disagree. Telling people they disgust you, finishing a post ‘HTH.’

Complete lack of willingness to try to empathise.

Fair enough.

But possibly triggered by a distinct lack of empathy for those at risk/dying of Covid? Just a thought.

It’s the inequality that is really starting to make everything unworkable. I have been incredibly fortunate through this - able to WFH, family close enough that even in the middle of lockdown I could stand in the driveway and talk through the window, no one with unmet medical needs.

It doesn’t sit right with me just how very much some people have suffered from the economic and non-covid health effects of this. There is no equality. Some people are having to pay too high a price.

I still maintain we can’t “go back to normal” because of the sheer weight of numbers if we don’t control spread of the virus.

But I can’t keep on, sitting by and saying “well, I’m OK”, because far, far too many people are not.

@Woundedadmiral

Fair enough.

But possibly triggered by a distinct lack of empathy for those at risk/dying of Covid? Just a thought.

Ah but you see they are The Others. Despite the fact that everyone is vulnerable to the risks of Long Covid...and the consequences of the economic damage that unchecked Covid causes. We all know that the countries who have effectively dealt with Covid have healthier economies.

@Rummikub

Looking at the maps, it's stark to see the north south divide. Wonder why that is?

Don't know. Perhaps government pressure on the media to play down the situation in London?

I’m lucky I still have my job. I like wfh. I see my friends. I’m not bothered wearing face coverings in shops. Just getting on with it and still mostly enjoying life.

@Woundedadmiral

We're not a rational nation.

Good job we don't get to make the decisions then. That really requires evidence based practice...

We do live in a democracy of sorts, so to an extent we do get a say. Ultimately though, better give power to the people than to a ruling class who think they know best.

A couple of things.

Ten years ago we went through a GFC. If lessons weren't learnt from that from that for people to be financially responsible then tough. I have no time for the I need the latest iPhone generation who have nothing in reserve.

Eighty years ago a generation went through a war. I really don't think you can put the little bit of inconvenience we have gone through with the suffering those people went through.

A month or so ago, Mumsnet was full of posts about needing holidays and not following rules, it barely affects anyone etc etc etc. Well I'm sorry, but it was obvious your chickens were coming home to roost.

Brexit. Ok, the country is not doing well with the pandemic. Where are the calls to delay brexit? I mean are we really going to do this? Why aren't people begging to stop it? The silence amazes me. If you thought covid was bad, you have no idea.

If this is too much for you, I have no sympathy. Because this is nothing. You snowflakes better prepare yourselves.

Winter is coming.

Do people have zero resilience or perspective?

It is shit now compared to our previously ridiculously spoiled lives.

However, compared to 90% of the World’s population or 90% of history in this country, we are currently doing very well.

Right now, we can (except in lockdown areas) meet friends, work, go out for meals. The sole difference is mass viewing of sports, no parties and masks. These are minor inconveniences.

If you are in lockdown, granted it is tougher. But even the national lockdown was a matter of 12 weeks or so, and the local ones will be shorter.

And it should all start to get better in 6 months or so, when the vaccine starts to be rolled out.

If young healthy people cannot cope with this, then maybe it really does signal the terminal decline of Western civilisation, not with a bang but the gentle melting of snowflakes.

I’m not sure that a vaccine will end this, it depends upon how effective it is.

If only people would take social distancing seriously then this would be over a lot quicker.

Fipperty,

With basic measures, r is hovering between 1 and 2, even a 50% effective vaccine will get it below 1, the point at which the virus will die out of its own accord.

We will see.

Indeed..

@amieejust

Forgot to add, railway suicides have increased here and are continuing to do so

Yes, I have a friend who works on the trains and she told me the other day that fatalities are much more frequent at the moment. It doesn’t seem to be being reported, which is so sad. I really feel for people who get to a point where that is the only solution for them. I can’t imagine how painful life must be for them.

@Fawnfour

No, not everyone feels the same. People are seriously ill and dying for crying out loud, get a grip.

Oh sod off.

There's always been "people seriously ill or dying" around the world with malaria, starvation etc. Your lack of regard for mental health is disgusting.

interesting thing about the cost of a covid sufferers treatment - basically said that for other treatments there is a price per year, think it was 10k. so if 10k buys a year of life they will do the treatment but if its 12k they dont do it as its not value. with covid it might cost 30k to give someone a year if they are 90 but they still have to do it because its covid.

is that good value? the 'you would want them treating if it was your granny' applies the same to any treatment so if thats the normal equation why isnt it applying now

I'm fed up of the "some people lived through a war" brigade. My Granny lived through the war, she's now 97 and living on her own, shielding and missing out on everything she normally does. She says this is worse.