Everyone complaining but what is the actual answer !

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I know personally I have just decided to do what’s best for my family as we know we can’t rely on Everyone else because everyone has their own lives / worries etc
However no matter what people are complaining.
Face masks, small restrictions , large restrictions, no face masks, economy, lives but what actually is it people want.
I am so confused by it all now 🤣
What would your tactics be if you could have a say ?

People want to get on with their lives and forget about the pandemic. Other people, who may be more at risk, want the former group to be a bit more considerate. People who own businesses want to carry on making money. Politicians only care about the economy whilst pretending to give a damn about the mortality rates.

Ultimately, none of us will have a normal life until a vaccine comes out and even then it'll probably be tightly rationed and lots won't even receive it. The pandemic will eventually burn itself out after a couple of years.

In an ideal world, people would restrict their movements, contact with others, going out etc. instead of going down the pub or having parties.

Rosie but that’s the thing no matter how small the restrictions people throw a wobbly
Shutting pubs at 10pm
Bloody mums with 4 young kids were complaining when I don’t think I’ve seen them go to a pub in years.

I get no one wants a full lock down but isn’t that the reason we should stick to smaller restrictions.

Sort out testing and contact tracing and properly support people who need to isolate. Hand it all over to local authorities. Treat it as a public health issue not a criminal issue.

People 'threw a wobbly' about pubs closing at 10 because it doesn't appear to be based on any evidence and because if everywhere chucks out at the same time, it creates major social distancing issues in the streets and on public transport, at a time when most people are likely to be less careful because their inhibitions have been lowered by alcohol.

It's not rocket surgery.

Pretty much where we are

Businesses open, schools back, other restrictions

Get testing up, get that vaccine going

Keep county borders closed and treat them as individual ‘countries’ with their own restrictions and testing. No one to leave or enter other than food deliveries. Shut down international travel for a period of time with a proper scheme to give travel companies a future. Starting from top to bottom of the country test each area and isolate cases - properly isolate them whilst looking after people.

Open up each county border when it is completely under control.

WHO said they’re hoping for 2bn doses by the end of 2021. And that that would be ambitious. This is going to go for a while.

@AgnesNaismith

Keep county borders closed and treat them as individual ‘countries’ with their own restrictions and testing. No one to leave or enter other than food deliveries. Shut down international travel for a period of time with a proper scheme to give travel companies a future. Starting from top to bottom of the country test each area and isolate cases - properly isolate them whilst looking after people.

I agree with this. Also ensure that EVERYONE actually follows the rules given...minimise unnecessary contact, keep your damn 2 metre distance, wear a face mask unless truly exempt, if you can’t wear a face mask then damn well make sure you have the decency to keep your distance from people, wash your hands and sanitise them regularly when out, don’t throw or attend illegal parties, no one is above the rules...just stick to them so that the rates can go down.

Where I live people are proudly flouting the rules and I’m sick of it. It’s not as simple as shield the vulnerable and let it spread through the rest of the population, because the vulnerable will still get it and some of those who think they are impotent will also become very ill or die. We need to send the numbers as far down as we can.

But certainly, banning international travel and cross county travel in the unsafest parts and in all but exceptional circumstances would go a long way, I commute to another county but I’m currently allowed to work from home. If I wasn’t I’d be looking at renting a room in my work town.

Other countries who banned international travel early and locked down regions since as Australia have done far better than us.

I'm happy with how things are now apart from testing. Testing needs to be sorted and proper financial support for those who need to isolate, the £500 is only for people in receipt of benefits which doesn't help a lot of people.

Keep schools and universities open and be relaxed about infections there. Do not engage in cruel, inhuman behaviour such as locking students in halls or limiting numbers at funerals.

Have social distancing otherwise, caution with the elderly, wfh where possible (but not all the time).

Worry about people getting ill, not asymptomatic tests.

Accept that the first vaccines probably won’t be that effective. Vaccinate only high risk groups (over 50s) first. For under 50s, do not vaccinate until absolutely certain that the risk of the disease is greater than vaccination.

There isn’t an answer.

Tories won’t let the Virus run as it would be political suicide (as well as diminish their voter base)

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UK population are not compliant enough for Track & Trace.

So, we’re going to carry on as we are until (hopefully) science puts us out of our misery with an effective treatment or a vaccine. So, in a worst case scenario if that doesn’t happen, this could run for years until we naturally achieve herd immunity at a deliberately slower pace through infection.

Fun this, innit?

I don't think it's a good idea to have non essential shops, pubs and sporting events open. These activities are bound to facilitate spread.

@Eyewhisker

Keep schools and universities open and be relaxed about infections there. Do not engage in cruel, inhuman behaviour such as locking students in halls or limiting numbers at funerals.

Have social distancing otherwise, caution with the elderly, wfh where possible (but not all the time).

Worry about people getting ill, not asymptomatic tests.

Accept that the first vaccines probably won’t be that effective. Vaccinate only high risk groups (over 50s) first. For under 50s, do not vaccinate until absolutely certain that the risk of the disease is greater than vaccination.

Speaking as a secondary teacher ,'be relaxed about infections there'. Fuck that.

Let the virus take its course. Hardly an original suggestion, but it's the one I would go for.

What I would like is consistency.
It’s hard for people to think you shouldn’t meet with loved ones at home and have lunch. But you book a table at a restaurant with them.

@ProudAuntie76

We need to send the numbers as far down as we can

Then what? Here in Scotland we had around 5 - 15 cases a day for weeks. Look at us know. You said its not as simple as letting it spread, but its also not as simple as just locking everyone down again and again. With each time people will become less compliant. I know I am , as its now illegal for me in Scotland to go to my parents house now. Indefinitely. As we say here, Bolt!!

Shielding for over 70s and vulnerable, everyone else get on with it.

I disagree about ‘the population not compliant enough for T&T’. That’s whAat. The government wants you to think instead

T&T is a shamble because it isn’t set up properly. Plenty of countries to copy from tbh.
People staying at home is easily checked. When it will be clear that they are checking AND it costs money if you don’t, people will be more careful. Just like many other countries have done..

key restrictions like social distancing - enforced with zero tolerance - no 'but they are drunk so they cannot be held responsible' same with masks -zero tolerance - other than that life as normal.

I wanted the Swedish strategy.
I would prefer a thread which is more like "How to cope" rather than "What would you do." I have no influence. What I want won't happen. At moment I keep my head down & avoid people. I get no comfort in stating what I wanted instead.

Do wish I had something tangible to look forward to.

@rosiethehen presumably if you think pubs and non essential shops to close that the government should pay the wages of the workers until they reopen?

Not popular I know but the elderly and vulnerable should make a choice whether they want to stay at home or risk getting the virus. Commission large spaces for schools and universities. People work at home if possible the rest should take protective measures but continue as normal as possible.

Where I live people are proudly flouting the rules and I’m sick of it.

Well I'm sick of people banging on about people 'proudly flouting the rules'.

This is the second wave of a virus, it's not a crime wave. This is no way to handle a public health crisis. We won't get out of this by banning more things or by criminalising more and more people. Public health starts with meeting the public where they are at and by building trust.

In the 1980s we didn't deal with the AIDS crisis by banning sex and locking up all the drug addicts, we dealt with it by making sure everyone had access to condoms and clean needles. And by making sure everyone had the necessary knowledge to keep themselves safe and to prevent transmission.

People don't need the disincentive of huge fines if they fail to isolate, they need proper support - practical and financial - to make it possible. Nobody should be worse off for doing the right thing.

Otherwise people will just avoid getting a test. They'll avoid giving details to test and trace of any contacts they know are struggling financially. They won't use the magic app. They'll carry on going to work with symptoms and they'll carry on sending their children to school because they can't afford childcare and it's yet another fine if they don't.

LangClegsInSpace@ AIDS was entirely different it Isn’t airborne but caused the transfer of bodily fluids. It also wasn’t a pandemic people could choose to avoid risky behaviour on the whole.