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Is government creating chaos on purpose?

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pontypridd · 28/09/2020 11:55

So many mixed messages.

So much incompetence.

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toodlepipsqueaks · 29/09/2020 08:32

DH thinks some of it is to take the heat off the mess that is Brexit. I think they really are this incompetent but it's a happy coincidence for them that Brexit is no longer being scrutinised Grin

NikeDeLaSwoosh · 29/09/2020 08:54

@NastyBlouse

I also think a lot of people have an unrealistic expectation of how much safety they are owed by the government. It's not government's job to make our lives 100% safe

This is one of the most sensible points I have ever read on MN.

(I am a MNer of nearly 15 years standing)

SallySeven · 29/09/2020 10:12

I agree on the whole. Yet people look to the government for guidance.

My elderly mum was not for staying home until the government introduced the whole 'shielding" thing.

My advice to be careful wasn't cutting it.

ThePlantsitter · 30/09/2020 09:58

I also think a lot of people have an unrealistic expectation of how much safety they are owed by the government. It's not government's job to make our lives 100% safe

I agree with this too. But I do think people should be able to feel that advice a government gives is in their best interest and not based on government members' individual self interest or on corporate persuasion. And I don't feel like that about this government.

monkeytennis97 · 30/09/2020 10:12

@NastyBlouse

I have come to the conclusion that trying to enact political measures to deal with something like an infectious disease is only ever going to be minimally successful -- it's like trying to bottle fog.

Transmission is more complex than 'be near someone and you'll catch it' -- of course this can be a factor, but there are many others, some of which we understand and some of which we don't.

Furthermore, human nature is such that many people will ignore or break the rules, unless you have something akin to an authoritarian police state. (And even then...)

I also think a lot of people have an unrealistic expectation of how much safety they are owed by the government. It's not government's job to make our lives 100% safe. If it was, it would be illegal to drive a car, or be over a certain weight, or get pregnant, or go for a swim, or have an operation, or basically do anything that is part of being alive.

At one level and this is an open question to which I don't have an answer how much safety do we expect from government, and how much is down to decision-making, risk assessment and personal responsibility?

I'm no fan of this government, but I think they are trying sometimes successfully, sometimes not to strike a balance between legislating and giving out information that allows people to protect themselves up to a reasonable point, and allowing the functions of society to continue. This is always going to be a slightly wobbly tightrope, because you're pitting something blunt human reasoning and decision-making etc against an organism which is built to be highly efficient at doing what it is doing.

Why are they actively stopping school staff from being as safe as other workplaces by saying no masks for kids or staff? Makes no sense, contradicts the health advice everywhere else. It doesn't feel incompetent, it feels criminally negligent.
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