Just let it spread ..

[Smallereveryday]

Can someone please explain how this idea is even a thing ?

Majority of 'shielders' live with others who aren't at risk.

I want my 18 yr old and 24 yr old to have as normal a life as possible but how can that happen with a mother with no spleen and on immunosuppressants ?

All it takes is for one of them to catch it and bring it home - surely ? Or do none of the 'just live your life ' believers NEVER come into contact with someone for whom this could mean long term illness or even death. ?

They only say that because they assume they won't be the ones selected out

Frankly if Covid was only fatal to those who post dumbass conspiracy theories or use the phrase 'just like flu' I think I'd support just letting it rip through the population.

I understand what you are saying but what's the alternative everyone lock down for mo the or possibly years. Shut schools, economy crashes, job losses, suicides, repossessions,..... does that make sense?

What do you want OP?

I mean for Christ sakes. If Boris can understand why we can't just lock vulnerable people away. All I can say is that there must be some pretty thick people out there.

I would be happy for those people who want shielders to be locked up to be injected with the virus and for them to quarantine for two weeks.

@Fatted

The difference with Covid is that it’s around 10x more deadly than seasonal influenza. It’s not the bubonic plague, but the risk is a different order of magnitude. That doesn’t mean it is high risk for young people, but that doesn’t contradict the fact that, all things considered, it is in a different league.

Many people have a vested in minimising Covid and are keen to demonstrate that it’s not really any different from influenza. However, every single attempt I’ve seen to do this over the past six months or so has involved shamelessly cherry picking data and comparing apples with pears.

I would be happy for those people who want shielders to be locked up to be injected with the virus and for them to quarantine for two weeks.

Genius idea!

@Browneyesbigbum

I understand what you are saying but what's the alternative everyone lock down for mo the or possibly years. Shut schools, economy crashes, job losses, suicides, repossessions,..... does that make sense?

What do you want OP?

I want some logic injected into the self isolation rules. That would be a good start.

If you (personally) are contacted by t&t , because you have had close contact with a positive case.. then ASSUME you have contracted it and therefore ASSUME that the person you share a bed with and the child you cuddle has ALSO contacted it.

Self isolate the Whole household . All members get a test. (Would need to work out the most opportune time for testing).
The current ridiculous system where my daughters friend was a 'contact' , she had to SI , but tested positive 5 days later.. in the meantime her DH was going into his office and the child to sixth form.. the child now has it and the whole sixth form has had to close.

Completely foreseeable. It's a fucking VIRUS ... clues in the title .. It's VIRULENT in its ability to spread. If a contact identified then the WHOLE household needs to quarantine. .. otherwise a complete waste of time.

@Pinkshrimp

I live with a shielder. I actually heard someone arguing recently about letting it spread & they uttered the words ‘natural selection’.

Got to admire their honesty at least. Most people tag on a "protect the vulnerable" to their let it rip plan to make themselves feel better/appear virtuous when the reality is that if we let it rip a large number of vulnerable are going to die either from the virus or from not being able to access routine medical care.

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

@Browneyesbigbum

The alternative is presumably what we’ve got now, with schools and businesses (with the notable exception of some entertainment venues) open, but with restrictions to try and ensure things don’t get out of hand again. If we don’t get a vaccine early next year, and there isn’t one in sight... well, we would need a re-think.

@PollyPelargonium52

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

They really don’t

@Fatted and what do you expected a shielding person with children do? Or a shielding person who has to work? Or the patients of the shielding doctor I know? For the children of the shielding teachers who work at my sister’s school?

@raccoonworld Your personal ability to avoid all shielders is not even relevant tbh. Even if you personally can avoid the vulnerable it doesn't mean this is a viable strategy for all of society .

Most vulernable people live with other people. You cannot realistically expect a significant proportion of society to lock themselves away in isolation for months/years. It's just not possible.

[quote Whatshouldicallme]@raccoonworld Your personal ability to avoid all shielders is not even relevant tbh. Even if you personally can avoid the vulnerable it doesn't mean this is a viable strategy for all of society .

Most vulernable people live with other people. You cannot realistically expect a significant proportion of society to lock themselves away in isolation for months/years. It's just not possible.[/quote]
We'd need to run two parallel societies. Buses for shielders (including households) driven by shielders, GP surgeries for shielders, schools for shielders, hospitals for shielders, pharmacirs for shielders, supermarkets for shielders, dentists for shielders, vet surgeries for shielders, workplaces for shielders etc. If we could actually manage to set up a parallel society and keep the virus out while it's running rampant in the rest of the population then eradicating it from our shores would be a piece of piss.

I would expect an autoimmune compromised person to be making active steps to avoid getting viruses themselves at anytime. My DSIS was having chemo this time last year. She took it on herself to lock herself down in winter when colds and flu were doing the rounds

Great your sister could afford to do that. Others can't. Many people who are at risk with this virus are out working on a daily basis, trying to provide for their families.

@PollyPelargonium52

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

1 in 10?? Your missing a zero, and that’s with a massive underestimation of actual case numbers during the peak. It’s more like 1 in 500 skewered strongly toward the over 70s.

We’re going to have to let it spread at some point - the only question is when

Why do we have to 'let it spread' ? - that sounds like a very bad idea.

Have a look at what Germany is doing with their testing and tracing etc

Things are going a lot better there and they are not hurtling towards another lockdown with rising deaths and hospital cases.

@PollyPelargonium52

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

If we're going to bandy around ridiculous figures (by the figures given in the briefing it works out at 0.4% which is below 1:200 and then heavily skewed by age)statistically 100% of people who catch covid will eventually die as will 100% of people who don't

@PollyPelargonium52

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

What? We all die, virus or not. But 10% of people with covid do not die from it.

@Newjez

I mean for Christ sakes. If Boris can understand why we can't just lock vulnerable people away. All I can say is that there must be some pretty thick people out there.

That's my thoughts too

People forget that statistically 1 in 10 who contract the virus die. A high statistic.

I’m used to taking issue with posts that minimise the risk. It makes a change to read one from the opposite extreme!

I’m guessing you’re dividing deaths into confirmed positive cases? The big problem with that is that confirmed positive cases are only a tiny fraction of action infections, especially back in March/April when you had to be ill enough to be hospitalised even to get a test!

actual not action

I'm reading news articles saying the virus is becoming more contagious 😶
shielding may not be enough 🤔

@QueenStromba

Yes, lots of magical solutions would make CV a piece if piss, if only were actually possible wouldn't they?! My personal favourite magical solution would be to wave a magic wand and just be rid of it. Sadly that's not possible either :(