It's not going to work is it...

[LivingIsHard]

Whatever they bring in tomorrow, it's just not going to work. Batten down the hatches.....

[quote monkeytennis97]@MadameBlobby My plan would be for a rota of year 7,11 and 13 in school, years 8,9,10,12 at home with remote learning.

School staff have little to no mitigations. No PPE, no social distancing, poor ventilation and positive cases flying around schools. Why don't we deserve to have some level of safety?[/quote]
I’m not opposed to part time. I am opposed to prioritising primary and fucking off secondary to nothing but online.

@RepeatSwan my dc prefer school now.

I guess everyone's different huh?

@RepeatSwan

I am trying all the time to understand the different viewpoints on this.

Why do people feel school is working now? My younger children hate the measures: no clubs, no mixing, no moving, no singing etc etc.

And even while school is like this, transmission will be rapid and some children will lose parents, teachers, grandparents. Other parents will suffer ill health and maybe struggle to work.

I don't think we're doing the right thing.

Because our school is working. They’ve been in 6 weeks with no cases in our school of 1600 kids. OK it won’t last but it’s been much better for them than sitting around the house online learning. Mine would rather be in school without assemblies and extras than not.

Im really anxious. Eldest has just started secondary and absolutely loves it. There's a case in the school.

Im morbidly obese and other stuff (so high risk but just escaped official shielding) and feel Im now playing russian tourette sending her into school every day

I’m morbidly obese as well @PineappleUpsideDownCake. It is a worry but the odds are still in our favour that we’ll be alright x

[quote Autumnsthemostwonderfultime]@RepeatSwan my dc prefer school now.

I guess everyone's different huh?[/quote]
And the deaths of parents, grandparents and teachers? It just all feels pretty grim to me.

But yes everyone is different, I understand not all kids feel the same. My children's friends do range in how they are finding things.

I wish they'd given schools a similar budget help to the Eat Out scheme and given HT's the ability to make plans that worked for their school.

The HT's of the two primaries worked together and made an ideal plan for the schools. The high school HT wanted to follow their lead and between them all they devised a really good plan. No money, no sharing buildings, no using the large (currently unusued!) community centre that's in the grounds of one of the school and just a "do as you're told attitude".

Even more ridiculously the high school HT had to try and plan classes in a shiny new school building whilst watching them pull down, over the summer, the old building that was on the site. There was nothing wrong with it, it was just too small. It would have helped his ability to have a bit of distancing between year groups massively!

@Remmy123

However, this isn't as deadly as being made out

Professor of Global Health at Edinburgh Uni, Devi Sridhar, wrote a newspaper article today. Wise advice on how to best live with CoVid this winter suggesting behaviours that should decrease risk of getting infected. She also pointed out:

“that But Sars-Cov-2 is a nasty virus that you do not want to get...

...Worryingly, some people aged 30-59 are suffering for months, with horrible fatigue, lung damage and cardiac problems all being described as “long Covid”. The real story of Covid-19 may not be just the lives lost, but the associated disability in younger working-age populations and the burden this places on the economy and health services. Why risk potential decades of ill health instead of putting up with a few months of inconvenience?”

Death isn’t the only possible thing to consider.

Only if people adhere to it. Looking at some of the replies on various threads on MN, no chance.

@supersonicginandtonic

I actually find the doom and gloom people more depressing than the pandemic. Life goes on, you have to learn to live with what you have got. Try and look on the bright side or we are heading for a mental health pandemic. Your doom and gloom isn't only pulling you down it's pulling everybody around you down and that is quite selfish.

Spot on.

Personally I think it's all a distraction for just how bad things are going to get when brexit hits

And here was me thinking the virus was only in the US and all about defeating Trump

@MadameBlobby I know how you both feel-I was morbidly obese in March but have lost 4.5 stone since then as I knew being a teacher meant I would be in a COVID friendly place and I needed to try and help myself as I knew the government were never going to help us teachers out. Glad I did now. It's not too late to try to lose a bit before the Winter (I am still in obese category but very close to overweight now-aiming for 2 more stone by end of year! Good luck to everyone trying to lose a bit!)

That’s brilliant @monkeytennis97. I can never stick to anything I am hopeless. Going out for a run in the morning though

Why is it that some people just spew out their negativity without any regard for others.

This pandemic is hard going. It’s traumatic for many. I lost a parent as a child and have a disabled child and this pandemic is not quite as hard as dealing with those things - but nearly there - and I haven’t had COVID (yet) or lost anyone to it.

People are not spewing negativity. What a crass and unkind thing to say. People are afraid and it is healthy to express these feelings and share worries.

Minimising and silencing worries, pretending to be positive is not a healthy way to process all of this.

Also - take responsibility for your own self and stop reading if it’s unhelpful.

In my area, we will go into lockdown tomorrow at 6 pm. We were doing really well, zero cases most days with some 1 or 2 random for weeks and weeks. Then schools opened, first week several children gave positive in different schools, so they sent the groups back home. Now, there was no time enough for the kids to get it in school, it was the first days of the first week. There was a bit more isolated cases, and they will be going back this week. Most kids are still in school here. That seems to work quite well! (Surprise!)
Today they have published that there was a dammed party, that lead to 19 cases or so, that then spreaded further as this people attended other gatherings before symptoms/ testing! Fast forward.... the whole county ( and others around) going on lockdown....
I do not think it is children.... I think is some adults behaving in this way, then to the poor kids, and then ...... well everyone!
I know sticking to social distancing is really hard, but we must! Otherwise we are ruining ourselves.
We already have two new deaths in the area.

[quote Remmy123]@monkeytennis97 so who looks after the ones remote learning if parents work?[/quote]
Years 8-12 shouldn't need parents at home if the pupils are in mainstream provision to supervise. I would have been fine with my DC1 from year 8 onwards (now out of teenage years) but not DC2 as DC2 attends a special school. I think back to my teen years in the 80s... loads of teacher strikes then with kids in and out of school all the time.

@MadameBlobby well done! Keep going!
There is quite a good number of people trying to loose weight and be more active.
I think it gives us something we are in control of.

Another morbidly obese teacher! Mental health issues from teen abuse fucked me up.

Anyway, we have a whole year off and several isolated cases. Several staff off either positive or waiting for tests/results.

I would love for schools to stay open, however something needs to change. I am finding the kids subdued and sad about bubbles, scared of the trains and buses they have to travel on, worried they are next to be pulled out by senior leaders ...

I have dealt with so many tears. The kids are suffering - there is no correct answer. How will they feel if a teacher dies? I have seen the impact this has on kids when a member of staff died suddenly a few years ago.

All our pupils were provided with chrome books if they had no access during lockdown. They have home visits and food was delivered to hardest hit families.
It may be different at my school as we have cases and in particular a teen who has been very ill. I don't have an answer at all ...

No.
None of it is going to work without a full lock down , schools and universities closed. Shops , pubs and all but non essential retail shut.

That's the ONLY way it worked last time and that was spring into summer.. not Autumn in to winter .

Education doesn't matter , neither does business.. if you are dead.

You make your decision and you get your consequence.

Some will go for lives, some will go for money . There is no other outcome.

Not just for Covid patients but with overwhelmied hospitals, ALL other services will also be fucked. As he clearly explained today.

1000ks of deaths and indirect deaths. Suicide, cancer, heart disease, strokes, none able to be treated because the hospitals will be full.

This is the bit the ' let it just spread and get on with it brigade ' simply don't get.

@Smallereveryday

No. None of it is going to work without a full lock down , schools and universities closed. Shops , pubs and all but non essential retail shut.

That's the ONLY way it worked last time and that was spring into summer.. not Autumn in to winter .

Education doesn't matter , neither does business.. if you are dead.

You make your decision and you get your consequence.

Some will go for lives, some will go for money . There is no other outcome.

Not just for Covid patients but with overwhelmied hospitals, ALL other services will also be fucked. As he clearly explained today.

1000ks of deaths and indirect deaths. Suicide, cancer, heart disease, strokes, none able to be treated because the hospitals will be full.

This is the bit the ' let it just spread and get on with it brigade ' simply don't get.

So that's your ideal world then? Lockdown after lockdown after lockdown forever?? Hmm.

@Beebityboo

I'm deregistering my DD from secondary tomorrow. It isn't safe of sustainable for them to continue as they are and unfortunately I've run out of hope that the government will see sense on this. The school bus was standing room only today and DD was one of only three people wearing a mask. It's ridiculous.

You don’t need to deregister yet. If you can face staying on roll, you should get to half term ok. It’s all going to be bonkers by then. I know it’s stressful though!

@OpheliasCrayon

I believe schools have to stay open. But as a teacher who's already caught the first thing going...I can tell you that this virus is going to absolutely rip through the schools and into homes. All the "covid safe" stuff is just ridiculous...they're schools...stuff gets spread. I'm vulnerable, shielding, whatever and I'll be continuing to work...but I wouldn't for one second think that there's anything in place to actually stop this thing.

Head lice , colds and Norovirus are already marching their way through schools courtesy of inane ''group selfies'' for the lice and obvious lack of hygiene/social distancing for the others.

@AllTheWhoresOfMalta

As teachers DH and I saw this coming. So did all our friends and colleagues. Schools reopening was never going to work without testing and track and tracing working efficiently. But they “didn’t see it coming” unlike the millions of school staff and parents for whom it was very clear. Blended learning makes a lot of sense now, but they wasted the time they had available to sensibly and adequately fund and set it up. So yeah, now we are fucked.

This a million times.

I have no choice but to send my medically vulnerable child to his special school where there are no social distancing rules, his hands are constantly in his mouth. I asked to home educate but because he is in a special school I can't deregister him. There is a whole new set of rules. He suffers with respiratory problems related to the disability he has.
If I don't send him I get fined and dragged through court.

Education doesn't matter , neither does business.. if you are dead.

But the vast vast vast majority of people won’t die. Measures have to prioritise health fair enough but you can’t ignore everything else! Plus we need a functioning economy and educated people to pay taxes to fund the health service

Lockdown didn’t work because here we are again!