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LastTrainEast · 21/09/2020 20:39

Well any decent covidiot would shoot himself to avoid making the rest of us suffer through his relentlessly stupid tirades.

LastTrainEast · 21/09/2020 20:43

"People just want to be able to make their own choices about the risks to themselves and their families, which really isn’t a lot to expect."

I want to be able to drive through red lights to avoid being late to the pub. I don't see why I can't make my own choices about the risk of doing so.

MadameBlobby · 21/09/2020 20:45

There defence was any decent vulnerable person would know that everyone has to die at sometime and they we should not all sacrifice our enjoyment in life for them

Jesus, that’s low.

Haenow · 21/09/2020 21:03

Why are people not getting this?! No you may not be vulnerable but if many of the vulnerable end up in hospital then capacity for you when you if you do need medical care is hugely reduced. This isn’t being dramatic, we know there were real issues with non covid healthcare several months ago and it’s ongoing.
I’m against a second lockdown and nobody is suggesting you give up your job and home but avoiding large indoor gatherings of people and wearing a mask (if you can) should be something we all can do.

Gingerkittykat · 21/09/2020 21:18

I'm ECV and recognise I have to lock down more than the rest of the population, that's not to protect the NHS but to protect me. I don't want to die and I don't want to be severely unwell so I need to protect myself in the best way I can.

I want a balance, I don't want people to lose their jobs, I don't want kids to miss school, I want my DD to go to college, I don't want vulnerable kids stuck at home with abuse or neglect going on and I don't want people's mental health to suffer.

OpheliasCrayon · 21/09/2020 21:18

I'm getting what you mean but I'm an extremely vulnerable young person ....

Sorry but I want to go to work, and I'm not going to be made to feel bad about the fact that if I get ill with covid I might end up in hospital.

I end up in hospital constantly, so for one what's the difference?

And two, would you like me to take one for the team and stay at home so you can all get ill instead of me?

Or maybe, since I'm happy to and want to, I should continue going to work with extremely vulnerable people (as in vulnerable in general not due to covid) ? I think I probably should go, since I'm one of a very few number of people who are experienced enough and able to work with the people I do....

Newjez · 21/09/2020 21:20

I remember when aids started, and nobody cared because it only affected gays. Until it didn't.
We don't know much about this virus yet. What the long term implications are.
So, if you don't care about the vulnerable, care about yourself.

AdoptedBumpkin · 21/09/2020 21:22

Sadly this sort of comment, in real life and social media, will probably become more common. The community spirit earlier in the year will fade as people prioritise their own needs/desires.

OpheliasCrayon · 21/09/2020 21:22

Oh and like all vulnerable people we have every right to live our lives how we want. Without being able to seek medical care without being told we are taking resources away from non disabled / vulnerable/ whatever people. As we are citizens too we have a right to free choice of how we love and we are not a burden or taking away from anyone without issues - we have the same rights as you.

Very anti disabled / ableist etc of you.

cbt944 · 21/09/2020 21:29

There defence was any decent vulnerable person would know that everyone has to die at sometime and they we should not all sacrifice our enjoyment in life for them.

People say this sort of thing regularly, and repeatedly, on MN coronavirus threads.

People are saying it rather sulkily, covertly, even on this one. It's despicable.

annabel85 · 21/09/2020 21:29

@AdoptedBumpkin

Sadly this sort of comment, in real life and social media, will probably become more common. The community spirit earlier in the year will fade as people prioritise their own needs/desires.

Wasn't much community spirit in emptying supermarket shelves as quickly as they were stacked and the embarrassing bog roll hoarding.

Humans are naturally selfish.

ProudAuntie76 · 21/09/2020 21:41

@OpheliasCrayon you do realise the OP isn’t saying this herself don’t you? She is commenting on how upsetting she’s found other people saying such things when she has a vulnerable child herself... no one is attacking you!

OpheliasCrayon · 21/09/2020 21:44

[quote ProudAuntie76]@OpheliasCrayon you do realise the OP isn’t saying this herself don’t you? She is commenting on how upsetting she’s found other people saying such things when she has a vulnerable child herself... no one is attacking you![/quote]
Oh I've lost the ability to you know -- make things bold and quote names and stuff? I've no idea how to do it anymore as it just keeps refusing on my phone. I wasnt saying it to OP but I can't find what I was trying to quote

ProudAuntie76 · 21/09/2020 21:48

Ah, I see! I was just a bit confused there reading your posts. Can you see the three dots in the bottom right corner of the posts? If you click on that you will get a “quote” option. Or you can @ them but people seem to get annoyed about that although if they are making disablist comments they deserve to be annoyed

Guymere · 21/09/2020 21:52

Actually people needing medical care in any form, can only have what the country can afford. It’s not a right to have exactly what you need when you want it. Mental health patients rarely get what they need. Covid patients tend to.

However - most people are willing to sacrifice something but not everything again. Big worries looming re unemployment, mental health, abuse of women and children and untreated illnesses. People will die of other things. Including flu. Every year many thousands die of flu but we don’t care that much. We are going to have to live with this and work out how. Some will have more freedoms and others will be more restricted. It’s the only way to go.

OpheliasCrayon · 21/09/2020 21:54

@ProudAuntie76

Ah, I see! I was just a bit confused there reading your posts. Can you see the three dots in the bottom right corner of the posts? If you click on that you will get a “quote” option. Or you can @ them but people seem to get annoyed about that although if they are making disablist comments they deserve to be annoyed

Well I just realised once I'd posted that that I'd managed to quote you! But I didn't know how but your explanation makes sense!

I'll happily @ people who think I'm worth less than them because I'm disabled

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Longestride25 · 21/09/2020 21:59

To the person who said the NHS was not overwhelmed I assume it depends on where you live because in our hospital where daughter is treated they were very much over capacity.
20 icu beds with 79 icu patients at one point meaning we lost all our children’s theatres.
It was horrible.

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BillywilliamV · 21/09/2020 22:01

Don’t believe anyone voiced that sentiment in those terms, think the OP was trying the idea out to see the response.,

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Longestride25 · 21/09/2020 22:01

I should probably respond that I do not want a second national lock down as much as the next person. People seem to think the shielding had huge support we didn’t.
I am a single mum who lost all support whilst caring for a complex child, I do not want that again.
What I do think it fair is the softer lock down that we as a whole try to follow it to prevent a huge lockdown or complete shielding.

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Longestride25 · 21/09/2020 22:03

@BillywilliamV what idea and what response My original post was what was said.

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cbt944 · 21/09/2020 22:05

@BillywilliamV

Don’t believe anyone voiced that sentiment in those terms, think the OP was trying the idea out to see the response.,

That precise sentiment, in those terms and worse, is quite regularly posted on MN.

Madhairday · 21/09/2020 22:25

@cbt944

There defence was any decent vulnerable person would know that everyone has to die at sometime and they we should not all sacrifice our enjoyment in life for them.

People say this sort of thing regularly, and repeatedly, on MN coronavirus threads.

People are saying it rather sulkily, covertly, even on this one. It's despicable.

This. I keep seeing it, covertly and not so covertly, and tbh it's been increasing in both intensity and number in the past weeks. It's thoroughly depressing and as an ECV person myself I am so, so done with this narrative that writes me off as dispensible because, apparently, I have no life in the first place and hardly any left to live.

TheSeedsOfADream · 21/09/2020 22:28

@BillywilliamV

Don’t believe anyone voiced that sentiment in those terms, think the OP was trying the idea out to see the response.,

Then you've not seen the posts that I've been reporting for the last fuck knows how long before they get deleted.

cbt944 · 21/09/2020 22:50

This. I keep seeing it, covertly and not so covertly, and tbh it's been increasing in both intensity and number in the past weeks. It's thoroughly depressing and as an ECV person myself I am so, so done with this narrative that writes me off as dispensible because, apparently, I have no life in the first place and hardly any left to live. hmm

Yes, it's so depressing. I am finding the heartlessness overwhelming. I keep thinking people will come to their senses, but you're right, it is increasing in intensity and volume, and frank awfulness.

I'm certainly not ready to be die horribly or to be written off as someone who should just shuffle off and get on with it and gasp my last breaths, just so some extrovert with poor impulse control can exercise their 'right' to hug someone, get pissed and go dancing, or attend the theatre without a mask, and pretend all of this isn't really happening, and that death is something annoying that happens to someone else.

dodgymacbook · 21/09/2020 23:36

I was in official shielding and I was in a debate in July or so about this. A poster just kept saying to me, "but I don't want to!"

Ah well, that's understandable then! Some people have been raised to be selfish brats who think that their needs are the only ones in the world. Thank god Im not related to her, at least.