“ any decent vulnerable person would not want the rest of us to suffer “

[Longestride25]

Usual post via social media accounts but this one struck me more than usual.
Was a usual post about anti mask wearing / not wanting any restrictions in place etc
There defence was any decent vulnerable person would know that everyone has to die at sometime and they we should not all sacrifice our enjoyment in life for them.
I read it a few times ( I have a young daughter still on the extremely vulnerable list for further shielding )
Are we really being selfish to want restrictions across board than one set of people completely locked away for god knows how long ?

No one is asking for a lockdown trust me we don’t want it either that’s the point
Do we all make some sacrifices to help to avoid one set of people being in completely lockdown.

@Longestride25

No one is asking for a lockdown trust me we don’t want it either that’s the point Do we all make some sacrifices to help to avoid one set of people being in completely lockdown.

We all make sacrifices for each other. Or I hope we do. What a dreadful world it would be if people only cared about themselves.

COVID is going to be around until there’s a vaccine. The vulnerable need to shield and be supported to do so, everyone else needs to learn to live with it. That doesn’t mean doing everything as we did before, but it does accept that we will catch it. More frequent testing and better contact tracing would be a start.

As a 36 year old vulnerable person I’m fucking sick of selfish wankers thinking I should be locked away alone for an entire year of my life so that they can go out and get bladdered/have parties/go on holiday/not wear masks cos they don’t want to/queue up someone’s arse in the supermarket etc.

If you aren’t doing all you can to curb this for EVERYONE then you are an narcissistic twat.

Well said.

@NameChange84

As a 36 year old vulnerable person I’m fucking sick of selfish wankers thinking I should be locked away alone for an entire year of my life so that they can go out and get bladdered/have parties/go on holiday/not wear masks cos they don’t want to/queue up someone’s arse in the supermarket etc.

If you aren’t doing all you can to curb this for EVERYONE then you are an narcissistic twat.

Beautifully put.

What about the vulnerable who do jobs that aren't allowed to shield?? For example, virtually all ECV and V teachers back in full classrooms, nurses continuing to work, etc etc..

Dispensable I guess as heroism is its own reward...

Vulnerable people deserve to be able to do all the things that others do, whatever their age. No way should we put the needs of others above theirs. We are all equally important.

We can't expect clinically vulnerable children to be locked away at home without being able to mix with other children and receive a education. Educating them at home doesn't help them develop relationships with others.

The clinically vulnerable may already spend more time indoors because of their health situation.To actually force them to stay in would be so isolating. We need to help ease loneliness, not make it worse.

Yeah, I’m already not meeting anyone socially, not doing anything except essential shopping, medical appointments. I went to church a couple of times but even that wasn’t safe because people were turning up full of colds/chest infections etc and refusing to wear masks because “human rights”.

If I can’t even go out for a walk now either and I’m just expected to lock myself in my home I will go even stir crazier than I already am. I’m a lecturer and my hours have been drastically cut as I’m not allowed to teach in person, only on Zoom. I really miss human contact but I understand the necessity. I am however disgusted by what I’ve seen on the tv and the pubs on my street. Crammed like sardines, drunk and no social distancing, hooking up with randoms etc. If we’d actually just stick to the rules than we could avoid further lockdowns...but it’s all the people who make their own risk assessment and decide they don’t mind catching it (and in turn passing it on).

@HermioneWeasley

COVID is going to be around until there’s a vaccine. The vulnerable need to shield and be supported to do so, everyone else needs to learn to live with it. That doesn’t mean doing everything as we did before, but it does accept that we will catch it. More frequent testing and better contact tracing would be a start.

Do you mean the extremely clinically vulnerable or vulnerable too?

None of the elderly I know support current measures. None want to see their grandchildren’s lives stuffed up any more. I agree. We are removing what makes life worth living

@NameChange84

As a 36 year old vulnerable person I’m fucking sick of selfish wankers thinking I should be locked away alone for an entire year of my life so that they can go out and get bladdered/have parties/go on holiday/not wear masks cos they don’t want to/queue up someone’s arse in the supermarket etc.

If you aren’t doing all you can to curb this for EVERYONE then you are an narcissistic twat.

Seems many refused to hear Chris Whitty’s message today...

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

None of the elderly I know support current measures. None want to see their grandchildren’s lives stuffed up any more. I agree. We are removing what makes life worth living

But “elderly” don’t have to shield 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Why the heck are people referring to the elderly? Clinically extremely vulnerable and Clinically vulnerable people can be any age.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

None of the elderly I know support current measures. None want to see their grandchildren’s lives stuffed up any more. I agree. We are removing what makes life worth living

It’s not permanent! Ffs

Unless you die of it which then it is obvs...

@Itsabeautifuldayheyhey

Why the heck are people referring to the elderly? Clinically extremely vulnerable and Clinically vulnerable people can be any age.

Because on other threads there are many posts actually suggesting anybody over the age of 60 be locked away and/or have their money taken from them (a real post) because they won't need it.

No one except my immediate family has ever done anything to minimise the risk of their mild colds that sometimes see my father admitted to ICU once or twice per year being passed on to him. We’ve never blamed anyone for that or called them selfish wankers. Vulnerable people have always been around and I wonder what some of the most vocal protectors of the vulnerable from Covid were doing before now to protect people like my father? I suspect very little. I’m not actually in favour of vulnerable people being “locked away” so the rest of us can “continue as normal”, just making the point that viruses have seen people in my father’s situation off many times before with no one expected to take the blame for virus transmission

OP - it's very much the other way around. Any decent person would care about the health of vulnerable people and want to mitigate their risk during a pandemic.

Naturally though the longer it goes on, the more impatient people get.

Who said that and where? On here? A friend?
You can find any opinion on the internet if you look, extreme, weird, illegal etc etc

[quote Longestride25]@kennelmaid it’s not about that a lot of the people would be in the same category.
The issue is if the nhs is overwhelmed like it was despite what people may believe then it would be absolutely not correct to perform surgery unless an emergency without efficient ICU beds in the hospital available.[/quote]
The nhs was never overwhelmed, so that isn’t a reasonable argument in favour of restrictions. We prevented the NHS becoming overwhelmed very successfully.

Who said that and where? On here? A friend?
You can find any opinion on the internet if you look, extreme, weird, illegal etc etc

Can’t speak for OP but several callers were saying this on BBC Radio 2 immediately after the presentation this morning. I’ve also seen similar too many times to count here on MN in AIBU as well as this board and on social media I’ve even got good friends saying similar. It’s not an uncommon way of thinking atm and there is a palpable feeling of resentment towards the clinically vulnerable of all ages. A real, “well I’m alright Jack” sentimentality.

Oh op I’m so sorry. It must feel as if you are trying to protect your DD single handed. I’m frightened for my parents and that is hard/frustrating enough, but if it was my DC at risk it would be a million times more frightening. I hope your DD gets through this fighting fit.

@Longestride25

No one is asking for a lockdown trust me we don’t want it either that’s the point Do we all make some sacrifices to help to avoid one set of people being in completely lockdown.

We are already doing this. People are making sacrifices and have done for a long time now, including many of those who you’d consider to be being irresponsible now.

The debate is not as black and white as some people seem to be making it out to be. Nobody wants a whole section of society to be locked up to suffer unnecessarily while everything else goes back to exactly the way it was in early March and before. That is not something that anyone expects to be a reasonable option. People just want to be able to make their own choices about the risks to themselves and their families, which really isn’t a lot to expect.

Viruses and other illnesses have always existed, the majority of the people who are vulnerable to Covid have always been going about alongside other illnesses that they’d also probably be more vulnerable to than average.

It’s not an uncommon way of thinking atm and there is a palpable feeling of resentment towards the clinically vulnerable of all ages. A real, “well I’m alright Jack” sentimentality

Among sociopaths maybe.

This is surely a matter of degree. You might expect someone to wear a mask, isolate if they have symptoms etc, give up gathering in large groups etc. but expecting someone to lose their job with no prospect of getting a new one, go for months without meeting another person, forego their own healthcare etc. to protect a stranger is asking a lot.

I've expressed the sentiment that we should protect the vulnerable and let everyone else get it before (and that we should have done this back in March) but that's because I believe that overall lockdown and associated restrictions will do catastrophic damage to society and the economy and we may not ultimately be able to control the virus anyway so may just be spreading out cases over time, making lockdowns essentially pointless. That's not about my willingness to make sacrifices or not. I don't think there's a good solution here though and agree that sending a huge group of people back into isolation now would be very harsh.

I'm a bit sceptical of those who are now so selfless that they would do anything to protect the vulnerable though. If we had been willing to put the money and effort we've put in covid into e.g. improving sanitation in developing countries we would prevent many more children dying or diarrhoea than we could ever save people from covid. Equally, no one really cared about spreading flu around before despite is being a killer for some. There were often mumsnet threads advising to send ill children back to school because it is so important to maintain high attendance.