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Absolutely dreading another lockdown or restrictions

81 replies

Helenj1977 · 18/09/2020 14:54

Just that really. Really tearful today at the thought of not going to my parents house again.

I hate this. I wish he'd tell us the plans so we could prepare mentally. This is going to be the shittest winter.

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BillieEilish · 18/09/2020 16:45

FFS Hmm how did it work?

Well, it did.

DD was taught throughout.

I have heard or seen absolutely NO protests but I am sure they exist somewhere.

But the virus is back and you are about to be the worst affected again. With your attitude, best of luck.

IcedPurple · 18/09/2020 16:48

We hated (proper) lockdown, but it worked.

Are you sure? Spain has some of the fastest rising rates in Europe. There is talk about another full lockdown in Madrid. What is your evidence that 'it worked'?

England are seen as a joke, not wearing masks and moaning claiming they are exempt for this and that reason, that their particular situation is special.

I'd be amazed if people in Spain - other than smug expats - are in the slightest bit interested in what's happening in England. If they are, I'd suggest they pay a bit more attention to the grim situation in their own country.

And from where are you getting your information about English people not wearing masks and claiming that they're 'special'? Random people on MN?

BillieEilish · 18/09/2020 16:50

I'm off... Just giving another perspective. Smile

Viciouslybashed · 18/09/2020 17:00

@monkeytennis97

Been crying today too. Why?

DH and I are secondary teachers-feel very exposed to the virus.

DC is in a care home. Didn't see our beautiful child for 3 months last time. Could just about get through it as we were at home together (DH and I). Don't think I can do it if we have to be putting on game face for other people's kids while not seeing our own.

Cannot imagine how you are feeling. Huge virtual hugs.
PremierInn · 18/09/2020 17:01

@BillieEilish

FFS Hmm how did it work?

Well, it did.

DD was taught throughout.

I have heard or seen absolutely NO protests but I am sure they exist somewhere.

But the virus is back and you are about to be the worst affected again. With your attitude, best of luck.

Ah ... by 'work' I meant 'stop the spread' not 'how did you stay indoors' I kind of meant 'what was the point?'

Actually Spain is the second worst affected European country currently, so it seems a positive attitude didn't help much either

IcedPurple · 18/09/2020 17:03

*FFS hmm how did it work?

Well, it did.

DD was taught throughout.*

Well, that's good I guess. She'd have needed something to do considering she was locked in her home for weeks on end. For all the good it ended up doing.

Wheresthebeach · 18/09/2020 17:05

Yep I’m dreading it too. Thought we’d get to November before the shit hit the fan. Draining to have this going on.

loulouljh · 18/09/2020 17:07

The attitude in the UK is just fine. People can dislike masks. People can dislike lockdowns. People can disagree with the Government. I hate this "oh we have it worse in Spain or wherever, just get on with it". Er no. We still can voice an opinion!!! Maybe we are more capable here of weighing up all the factors, all the points of view (of which there are many) instead of just bleating that everyone has to stay "safe". A bit of independent thought.

I agree with you. It is all very grim and depressing at the minute. You are allowed to feel that way.

KOKOagainandagain · 18/09/2020 17:11

I think that once you have moved from isolated cases to clusters to community spread to exponential growth, 'lockdown' is too late and what is required is actually quarantine.

Even a world beating test, track system would fail in circumstances of exponential growth.

When you know that exponential growth is more or less guaranteed, you have to lockdown early and effectively.

Lockdown is most effective with preparation of the terrain (making sure your personal immune system is working at its best), protecting the vulnerable, ensuring sufficient supply of the essentials including PPE, planning how to deliver education outside of formal learning, planning how to WFH. Individuals, communities and governments have a big role to play in making this a viable possibility.

This is not about billionaires increasing their wealth at the expense of the sacrifices of others but pandemics, just like wars, are profit makers in a capitalist framework.

I know that people are saying they understand exponential growth theoretically but I bet they are still surprised when they slip on icy ground and hit the ground with a force sufficient to break bones or at least severely wind.

Get cases low enough for test and trace to work, including the asymptomatic.

We don't yet know what the true case fatality rate is but we do know that Covid is very infectious and so even a small rate can have a serious effect on morbidity and mortality for those directly and indirectly impacted.

We can't comfort ourselves that the indirectly affected are only an issue due to government incompetence in being excessively proactive/inadequately reactive.

silverfonze · 18/09/2020 17:13

Agree
Just too much now
Family of 5 so now can't socialise as a family any more. Basically can't see anyone as don't know any 'single' adults that would want to socialise with us.
Can't make plans.
Will mess up 2 kids birthdays and Halloween.
Feel miserable
Lonely enough as it is not seeing people at work or speaking at school gates any more
2020 been loneliest year ever. Hate it

clopper · 18/09/2020 17:23

Spain and France had much stricter lockdowns and very high compliance of mask wearing. They are now facing high levels of positive test results So I dont think the mechanism of the lockdown is all that great for defeating the virus. I am mad that I can be teaching in primary all day yet not see my parents. They are thoroughly miserable and take the view that this might be the last few years of their life ( in eighties) and they'd rather see their family than be safe.. what ever safe is

monkeytennis97 · 18/09/2020 17:23

@Viciouslybashed thank you Thanks

treebarking · 18/09/2020 17:28

@rorosemary

The virus doesn't spread itself, people spread the virus. If the people don't want another lockdown then they need to socialize less, wear masks, keep distancing et cetera. The stuff that worked last time. The choice is yours, if everybody keeps having bbq's, not wearing masks, keep seeing people indoors, keep hugging family members, keep having birthday parties then yes, you will have another lockdown. It is a choice that the people make. You can't let Covid just run through the country thinking it won't be harmful, look at the US and Brazil. So if the general public makes selfish choices then the government will have to act.
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PremierInn · 18/09/2020 17:29

@Wheresthebeach

Yep I’m dreading it too. Thought we’d get to November before the shit hit the fan. Draining to have this going on.
I thought November too. I really don't see any point to long lockdown if it's going to be so shortlived in effect. Six months in, two months off?
b0redb0redb0red · 18/09/2020 17:33

I’m dreading it too. The last lockdown was the lesser of two evils but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t bloody hideous. For example, a friend’s beloved grandmother died alone, in unbearably grim circumstances, during the lockdown earlier this year (not Covid-related). Her family will have the guilt forever of not having realised her life was in danger because they hadn’t seen her in person for weeks. Don’t get me wrong, I accept that the cost of not locking down would have been significantly worse, but the cost of the restrictions was also real and I completely understand why people are frightened of going there again.

Swooningmonkey · 18/09/2020 17:40

I’d argue that a bit of independent thought is exactly why cases have soared again. We’re now starting to see the effects of a summer of non compliance. Though the government don’t want to call it one, a national lockdown is almost certainly coming. This stop, start school year will be monumentally shit for all our dc.

Elephantday82 · 18/09/2020 17:51

@loutylips

Nobody is disputing this but people are allowed to be upset or anxious about the possibility of another lockdown!

Really tearful today at the thought of not going to my parents house again.

*Imagine how tearful you'd be if you go, give them a virus and they end up seriously ill or worse dead? Then you'll never go back, rather than not seeing them for a couple/few weeks. Sorry to be harsh, but younger people are now spreading the virus to older people

Any future lockdowns are to protect people, they aren't taking the decision lightly. If they announce it too soon everyone will be "let's go and see grandma before it happens!", in the meantime they spread Covid to granny and then numbers soar again.*

loulouljh · 18/09/2020 18:30

It is so not true that a Summer of non compliance has seen a rise in cases. Rubbish. The South West of England was inundated with tourists. Wall to wall. They have not see a rise!!!!

Topseyt · 18/09/2020 19:41

I agree that it is depressing. Another lockdown seems to be looking more and more likely though.

I don't want it, although there will be no choice.

I'm not a big socialiser, so that aspect doesn't bother me too much, but I worry about my elderly parents and their mounting health problems. If I am really needed to go there and look after them after a worsening of their conditions then I may just have no choice, for their own safety.

It's a serious dilemma though. Of course I wouldn't want to go there and risk introducing Covid 19 to them as they wouldn't be likely to survive it. I wouldn't forgive myself for that.

However, if they were to become seriously ill again with something else (they each did in the last lockdown) and I lost the chance to ever see them again, that would not be right either. They are at a stage now where the common cold could be disastrous for either of them.

It is a no win situation for me. I absolutely hate it and can see no end at the moment. Well, I can see only one end, but don't want to dwell on it any further right now.

Chessie678 · 18/09/2020 20:22

The situation in Spain seems strong evidence that strict lockdowns don’t work long term. Spain imposed a completely inhumane and massively damaging lockdown for no obvious long term gain and has destroyed its economy in doing so. And the mandatory masks everywhere doesn’t seem to be helping much. Maybe we should learn from that.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 18/09/2020 20:29

I'm very down too today. I get it, but I'm still sad. I was OK the first time as we are fortunate enough to have a decent size garden and quiet neighbours. Despite losing a parent early on, time spent in the sunshine had a positive effect on my wellbeing and I appreciated the time we were able to spend together as a family.

Now, not so much. I've changed my role to work from home full time which has given me reasonable job security and means I can anchor family life. I know I'm very lucky to have been able to do this. And yet, the thought of not being able to go out, to meet with extended family & friends, to enjoy the weekend breaks I had planned after missing out on summer holidays, to participate in Autumn and Christmas rituals, (even the ones I moaned about) makes me very sad.

A dark, winter lockdown is going to be very different from a summer in the garden.

Thank you for starting this thread OP. I think it's important that we do actually admit what this means to us and do what we can to maintain our mental health.

Swooningmonkey · 18/09/2020 20:30

@loulouljh

It is so not true that a Summer of non compliance has seen a rise in cases. Rubbish. The South West of England was inundated with tourists. Wall to wall. They have not see a rise!!!!
The data is fairly easy to find online. Confused

Transmission increased as a result of loosening restrictions over the summer. This is fact. Just because the rise isn’t equally as high in an area which isn’t as densely populated doesn’t mean they haven’t risen exponentially nationally.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 18/09/2020 20:32

I think you'll find that tourist hotspots were very densely populated over the summer.,

Swooningmonkey · 18/09/2020 20:45

@Al1Langdownthecleghole

I think you'll find that tourist hotspots were very densely populated over the summer.,
And where did those tourists go after their holiday?
Puppyinmypocketwasthebest · 18/09/2020 20:50

Really dreading it. Worried about labour for DC2 alone (although thankfully I'm not THAT worried about it) but much more about delays and restrictions surrounding DC1's upcoming surgery and the possibility of needing to be separated from baby while DC1 in hospital, and DC1 being isolated again before the op as well as after in recovery

DH working long hours and probably can't really take paternity, it's going to be really hard