Would you not see your friends and family?

[SqidgeBum]

BJ seems to be floating the idea of a 2 week national restriction on socialising in October. Essential work would stay open, but people will be told not to socialise with any other household. Sky news reported

"Proposals being worked up for such a "circuit break" could see essential travel to schools and workplaces continuing, but restaurants and bars would shut - or perhaps run on restricted hours - and different households would be asked not to mix."

Where I live, there are about 10 cases a week, and we havent had a death since august 23rd. I know that's not the case around the whole country, so I am asking would you comply with the government bringing in restrictions that mean you go to work, but you cannot see another household? They are proposing this would last for 2 weeks minimum.

Do you think it will help as we head into winter, or is it just another finger plaster over a gaping wound?

No because I'm my mother's carer

Yes of course I would comply. If NHS staff can work 12 hr shifts on Covid wards in full PPE, suffering PTSD, then I sure as hell can stay home for a few weeks.

Everyone should be lobbying their MPs for the support that would be needed to make it would though - childcare provision for key workers, financial support for people who wouldn’t get paid, exceptions for those who’s mental health would be dramatically impacted.

We need to stop dividing into pro and anti camps and start working towards workable measures.

I did wonder if Borris should offer a deal .....comply and he will fire Dominic

Nope. I shall continue to see my family. We lost mum to covid and dad's got terminal cancer so we won't adhere to lock down or the rule of 6. Our family has been through enough and we need to be with each other and friends right now ,to expect us not to is cruel.

Not knowing someone who has had it as an excuse is the most selfish attitude. Why does it take knowing a friend or family member die from it to follow rules?

I would comply. Our family have tried to follow all the rules and guidelines. We want this to go away sooner rather than later and want to help protect more vulnerable members of the community and also ourselves!

The problem is that the last time we were told it was going to be a short lockdown it turned out to be 12 weeks, so there's a lack of trust amongst many.

I would but would probably have to take carers leave for someof those 2 weeks as pil are our child care once a week and dh and i simply would not cope going back to both working from home with a 2 year old.

My mum lives by herself and she's in our support bubble. I've already agreed with her and DH that if support bubbles are no longer allowed, she will move in to our house. We're really lucky to have enough room, and also that we all get on well enough for that to be an option.

@Fawnfour

Why would you not comply? We all have to comply, ti make this work. Why are there still selfish people saying No I will not comply!!!

Because I would still have to go to work in a very busy non-essential budget fashion retail store where I come in to contact with hundreds of customers a day. That would be deemed ok by the government yet I can’t see friends and family? Bollocks.

I'd do it, grudgingly. The last lockdown I had a very tricky newborn. Now she's a fairly jolly six month old. I'm in a fortunate position to be on mat leave so it really wouldn't be much of a toil on me, compared to most.

I dont have many relatives. My elderly in laws were pretty blase about the whole thing before, and even when we visited and tried to be SD, they came up for a hug anyway. They have been pretty maudlin for at least the last 18 years, they are very family orientated and say they've got to die of something!
My other elderly relative is much more cautious and not ready to try eating out etc which is fine. We have sen them at another relatives house but I would only visit them if a) it was officially permitted (because I know they would want to abide by "the rules " and b)if the relative felt ok with it.
Having said that it makes me sad as they are over 90 and I wonder how many christmases etc we will have left with them.

I haven't seen much of friends and family throughout and all has been within the rules*. Due to distance or just people I know being very conservative there was just little opportinity or willingness before August which was frankly S.H.I.T.

Two weeks of DCs being back in school and a handful of organised activities has revolutionised my life and it now feels like I am living again instead of a vacuous existance.

Can I manage two weeks with no socialising? Yes. Do I trust the government? 😂😂😂😂😂 nope.

• I lie. There was one week in June when despondency and sobbing kicked in and I did end up going to my friend's. As it was cold and pissing down, the risk of hypothermia from following the rules and staying outside was far higher than guzzling 2/3s a bottle of gin on her sofa. I NEEDED another human that wasn't DH a hyper 7 year old or an autistic 9 year old. I bloody enjoyed that hangover the next day, knowing it was well earned.

Yes I'll comply, but then am aware it's easier for me than most..there's just me and DP at home so no childcare etc to worry about. I had covid in march and it was really awful and am still struggling with my breathing so dont want myself or anyone else to get to it so would avoid seeing friends and family where possible while infection rates are high. Am hoping that a v short lockdown would give ttt a chance to sort itself out and catch up a bit so infections can be better managed going forward though I'm also not holding my breath that it'll get sorted.

Yes I'll comply, it only works to break the cycle if we all comply

Why are people so quick to blame those who flout the rules for causing lockdowns, instead of the government who are the ones forcing these restrictions upon us in the first place?

Lockdowns are not an inevitability...governments do not have to impose them - there are other, better ways of dealing with the virus.

@gje943

Why are people so quick to blame those who flout the rules for causing lockdowns, instead of the government who are the ones forcing these restrictions upon us in the first place?

Lockdowns are not an inevitability...governments do not have to impose them - there are other, better ways of dealing with the virus.

Yes this

I completely stuck to lockdown in every way last time around, I will NOT be doing so this time. The governments support of Dominic Cummings flagrant flouting of the rules made me feel like a complete fool. I will do whatever I feel is appropriate this time around

I will NOT comply. This ludicrous and unlawful restriction is not science based. Zero evidence lockdown worked, in fact we are seeing thousands of deaths from the lockdown.
The NHS is closed and has been for the past 6 months.
Positive test results are not illnesses. The PCR tests are too sensitive and the false positives are around 50% or higher.

Boris, Hancock, Gove, Cummings and Neil Ferguson are despicable and should be thrown in jail for crimes against humanity.

This is no way to live!

@NewStart2020MyArse

I, and thousands may be millions of others, cannot mentally cope with a lockdown like the one that happened in March. I will not comply for my families sake. Call me selfish if you like. I don't care. Its survival of the fittest now. Sorry....

Just wow. At what point did we decide it’s okay for vulnerable groups to be disposable? Everybody hates lockdown. You are not special or different, but yes you’re right, you’re definitely selfish

Yesterday 20:09 GorillaManilla

Fawnfour
Why would you not comply?
We all have to comply, ti make this work.
Why are there still selfish people saying
No I will not comply!!!
Because I would still have to go to work in a very busy non-essential budget fashion retail store where I come in to contact with hundreds of customers a day. That would be deemed ok by the government yet I can’t see friends and family? Bollocks.

Doesn’t this therefore mean you pose a higher risk to your family and friends than if you worked from home? I genuinely don’t understand the logic in this line of thinking. It seems it’s ‘I’m at risk, why shouldn’t everyone else be?’. I just don’t get it!!!!

Oh shut UP with the "selfish" thing!! Christ it's tedious. It's the new accusation of choice, and seems to have evolved into a specific Covid related definition.

Funny that when people were doing their best for the environment and to minimise climate change, for example - in order partly to protect "the vulnerable" long term - the whole "selfish" thing wasn't being thrown round on social media to anyone who wouldn't comply. I'm using the word "vulnerable" in this instance in its broadest sense meaning those who have no agency over their own long term futures at all, not just human.

Most people didn't give a shit about "selfish" then.

Humans are selfish. They try not to be, but at the end if the day we are programmed to care mostly for ourselves and our family, not the whole world in equal measure.

I will never stand in front of someone who says 'I will see my family because they are the most important thing to me' and say them 'you are selfish'. I am pretty sure those people here who easily type that response wouldnt say it to peoples faces. Those people who put their family above the rest of the world do so because they are human. People who say 'you are selfish' also have a point where they would shove the whole world to one side to prioritise their family. They just havent reached it yet.

Of course I’d comply, this thing isn’t going away and if I want my life to return to as close to precovid as possible then I will do what I can to support even if it comes with short term restrictions that affect me
All the people moaning about the match restrictions, how do you think people coped in the war when families were split, food was scarce, men were at war and you didn’t know if they were coming back? They got on with it. We are too entitled these days and think rules don’t apply to us if it’s something we don’t want to do.

I would, if I'd be paid for the time off work.

@Dreamcatchme

And what you’re forcing upon people is not selfish?!

Another lockdown will lead to:

more undiagnosed cancers, longer NHS waiting lists, domestic violence, child abuse, depression, suicide, economic ruin for many, a sad lonely death for those in care homes...

In other words, it will do much more harm than good and ruin our economy

Just about the entire population of the UK now understands to whom this virus poses the most risk and how to deal with that.

Do not lock up the entire country, protect the vulnerable. Why is that so difficult? Plenty of bedwetters below the line tonight cheerleading this latest attack on our liberty.

Lockdowns prolong the agony.

Lets let it run its course whilst shielding the vulnerable.

Here's an idea: why don't you volunteer to remove your precious selves from societal contact and let everyone else crack on

And please recommend this to show solidarity against the Covidphobes.