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Why aren't the government being given more credit for prioritising education?

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annabel85 · 15/09/2020 20:56

The government have risked a lot by putting schools first, selflessly knowing that a second wave would reflect badly on them. This is how it's turning out, but they're still even now fully committed to keeping schools open.

They could have just had blended learning or even carried on demanding tutoring from home for the the winter term, but they've stuck their necks out by getting every child back to school.

Basically, just a reality check for people who are criticising the government at the moment. They've made big mistakes but the kids are their priority and they deserve credit for that.

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herecomesthsun · 16/09/2020 15:11

From a quick google, Italy have offered testing to teachers and pupils who want it.

Funding to reduce numbers in classrooms.

Committed to hiring 40,0000 extra teachers.

Funding to obtain extra space for schools (I think they are renting buildings)

Teaching outdoors if possible, as safer.

New entry and exit arrangements and registers of any visitors to school for contact tracing.

Redesignating routes through schools to avoid crowding in corridors.

A national arrangement to offer psychological support in schools.

A help line for schools to coordinate this.

2.9 billion euros set aside to cover this.

NotAKaren · 16/09/2020 15:37

Is that you Mr Cummings?

knittingaddict · 16/09/2020 15:41

I can just imagine Dominic Cummings having an alter ego called Annabel.

Walkaround · 16/09/2020 19:08

@notevenat20

temperature checks are specifically not recommended by the DfE

I am not a head so I don't quite understand what this means.

Does it mean that heads must not check temperatures of children and there will be repercussions from central govt if they do?

Or does it mean that most heads agree with the DfE that it's not a good idea which is why they are not doing it?

Or does it mean that heads are free to implement temperature checks but they won't get any extra funding for it?

@notevenat20 - What makes you think DfE guidance is any more comprehensible to headteachers than it is to you?! DfE advice is littered with unnecessary, unhelpful and constantly changing advice and rules, and a lack of clarity on the full implications of ignoring it. Although, with respect to funding, that seems a bit of a dim question on your part? Of course extra funding would not be expected for something the DfE deems inadvisable. Google Classrooms or Microsoft Teams were, however, offered to all schools that did not yet use one or the other for distance learning, with funding for installation provided by the DfE, if installed by an approved body. I think that was a great idea - although to really work it needed to be backed up by provision of more technology for the student end of the equation. Obviously, it failed to live up to its promises on this bit. Also, it failed to consider many schools had their own poor internet connectivity issues and unreliable hardware which they could not afford to upgrade. So, it had the right idea and got partway there, but lacked the financial clout to be effective, as severe underfunding for years beforehand had already done so much damage to schools, and growing inequality has done so much damage to the poorest in society.

One cunning ruse the DfE came up with on funding was to advertise extra money for covid-related expenses, and then to move the goalposts massively, after schools had purchased extra cleaning products, hand soaps and sanitisers, gloves, hand towels, stamps and envelopes for posting work home to children without technology every week, gazebos to enable children to be outside more in hot weather, pedal bins for every classroom, soap dispensers, salaries for extra cleaning staff, etc,etc, and decide that the bulk of this extra pot was only for use for dealing with confirmed cases in the schools, not for keeping the schools running and clean and trying to keep covid out in the first place. So, effectively, the DfE was giving schools rules on how to set up their classrooms, how often children must wash hands, how often surfaces must be cleaned, how far apart children must sit from each other, how the premises should be cleaned and how often, telling schools to have children outside as much as possible (getting heatstroke because it won’t even help pay for shelter in the summer), and pretending it would fund all these extra costs, and then reneging on a big chunk of its funding promises (presumably when it realised how expensive it is for hundreds of children to wash their hands on arriving at school, before eating, after eating, after playing, after sneezing into their hands, etc, etc, as per DfE advice), and how expensive it is to pay for enough staff to ensure constant cleaning is taking place throughout the day, etc, etc.

Basically, if the DfE were being honest, its own guidance on how to keep school communities safe with all children back in school, on which school risk assessments have to be based if schools do not want to be sued for negligence, is unaffordable for schools, unsustainable, impractical, probably ineffective, and lots of other negative words!

notevenat20 · 16/09/2020 19:13

@Walkaround

Thanks for the reply.

I think Although, with respect to funding, that seems a bit of a dim question on your part? is from a misunderstanding however.

The question was the last of three and was meant to ask if that would be the only negative downside of a head deciding to implement temperature tests in their school.

Kidneybingo · 16/09/2020 19:31

It's baffling. Getting schools open for this term and keeping them open for this term has been a major government priority, hence the thread title.

They haven't had to do a thing. They basically just said "schools be open", and other people did the work.

OpheliasCrayon · 16/09/2020 19:43

I've not read the whole thread but I don't think the gvmt have prioritised education at all

  • gcse and a level horror show
  • lack of testing so children and teachers needing to isolate needlessly and miss weeks of education
  • no ppe allowed (say the gvmt) so what do vulnerable teachers do,
  • no provision made for vulnerable children or children with vulnerable family members to attend safely
I say all this as a mum and a teacher How on earth can anyone say that the gvmt have prioritised education???????
Walkaround · 16/09/2020 19:44

Ah, I see, @notevenat20. My personal opinion on mass temperature checks is that they are indeed an imperfect tool, and also time consuming (if you get a funny reading from an infrared thermometer, you really need to check it with, eg, an in-ear one, too, because you can’t turn children away for ten days for no good reason), so lack of funding is not surprising and not the only downside.

notevenat20 · 16/09/2020 19:57

@herecomesthsun

Thanks. Some of that seems the same as here but the one that sticks out is smaller classrooms.

notevenat20 · 16/09/2020 19:57

I meant smaller class sizes of course :)

tinytemper66 · 16/09/2020 20:02

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Readysteadife · 16/09/2020 20:05

I think it’s good that they are finally back at school , yes

notevenat20 · 16/09/2020 20:09

It is worth noting that the problem with testing is very recent. If you look at the graph d2 means it took two days to get the result for example. You can see that it was over 60% recently and then took a sudden dive.

It seems the number of people requesting tests has just gone through the roof.

Why aren't the government being given more credit for prioritising education?
Enoughnowstop · 16/09/2020 21:44

The government have risked a lot by putting schools first, selflessly knowing that a second wave would reflect badly on them

Yeah, it’s utterly selfless to mess with the health and potentially lives of thousands of school staff and vulnerable children. That reflects badly on the Government. When they are willing to put themselves in small, unventilated rooms with 32 adult sized people for 6 hours at a time, then we’ll have a discussion about ‘selfless’.

notevenat20 · 16/09/2020 21:51

Yeah, it’s utterly selfless to mess with the health and potentially lives of thousands of school staff and vulnerable children.

Is there really a conflict between the interests of women with children and education on one side and teachers on the other? That doesn't seem a good position for teachers to be taking if there is.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 16/09/2020 21:57

They don't give a shit about education or teachers.
They just want parents to have childcare so they can return to the office

Funny how kids don't spread virus until people want them discounted in rule of 6

Total hypocrite

Northernsoulgirl45 · 16/09/2020 21:59

Not just vulnerable children and teachers but parents also.

udnertheradar · 16/09/2020 22:00
Biscuit
phlebasconsidered · 16/09/2020 22:01

Yeah. After 22 years teaching I know just how much the Conservative party value education that doesn't originate from Eton.
They value it as much as I value the shit I did this morning and flushed away.

Enoughnowstop · 16/09/2020 22:01

Is there really a conflict between the interests of women with children and education on one side and teachers on the other?

Men don’t have children? Teachers don’t have children?

Not all school staff are teachers.

Are you spending 6 hours a day with no protection whatsoever in a poorly ventilated room and 32 people who are also unprotected?

Bupkis · 16/09/2020 22:12

@annabel85

The government have risked a lot by putting schools first, selflessly knowing that a second wave would reflect badly on them. This is how it's turning out, but they're still even now fully committed to keeping schools open.

They could have just had blended learning or even carried on demanding tutoring from home for the the winter term, but they've stuck their necks out by getting every child back to school.

Basically, just a reality check for people who are criticising the government at the moment. They've made big mistakes but the kids are their priority and they deserve credit for that.

Jeez, yeah...you're right. I don't know how I could have been so wrong in my judgement of them as a shower of incompetent shits who couldn't manage the opening of a fucking milk carton, let alone the opening of schools in the midst of a major public health crisis. Silly me.

I am so glad my medically vulnerable child has been such a priority that we needed to be threatened with fines. I'm grateful that they insisted my child be back in school, after shielding for 5 months, when the testing system is worse than useless.
Praise be that my son is now propped up on me for the 4th night in a row, hot and coughing, and because we can't get a test, his older sister's are missing school and his dad is unable to work. Whilst 5 out of his class of 12 are off with similar symptoms, but the bubble is still open....

It is truly a modern miracle how they have handled this situation. Well. Fucking. Done. Boris

CousinKrispy · 16/09/2020 22:20

But, OP, even if you focus only on the government's VERY recent tack of prioritising schools opening, I don't see why they should be described as "selfless" for doing so, or for opening themselves up to criticism. It's the job of elected leaders to lead through a crisis, including making tough decisions about priorities and being criticized by many. I'm afraid there's no way to avoid those aspects of the job, unless you are lucky enough to only serve in exceptionally easy times.

In other words, I may agree with decisions the government is making about particular priorities (in some cases...). But I don't particularly feel the need to pick their arses for doing the jobs they chose to be in.

CousinKrispy · 16/09/2020 22:21

Lick not pick FFS!!

MeMeMeYou · 16/09/2020 22:25

Just threw up in my mouth reading OP

The selfless ones are the school staff