Marseille's Covid-19 hospital beds 'close to saturation'

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54151281

Not looking good is it? We're about 2 weeks behind France.

I wonder if all the covid deniers would like to comment - you know, the ones who were saying the daily rise in infections isn't a problem because hospitalisations and deaths are low. Well, hospitalisations and deaths were low in France too, a couple of weeks ago!

So clearly the lockdown doesn’t work unless it’s permanent?

Look at you All, so doom and gloom, it’s like you’re praying for a lockdown. Lighten up and stop all this miserable talk

Get real

@Redolent

What I don't understand is people who want to lift all restrictions, citing the need for cancer treatment, routine scans etc, to go back to normal. The filling up of hospital beds with covid patients is completely counterproductive to that goal...

Exactly.

They clearly don't have the critical thinking skills needed to realise the consequences of their chosen course of action.

@MotheringShites

So clearly the lockdown doesn’t work unless it’s permanent?

Not with open borders, no.

@Redolent has it absolutely right.

France is making a right arse of it so this is not surprising. The TdF is their Cheltenham but on a much longer lasting scale and with months of knowledge. Madness.

Some people really need to stop and think what another lockdown would entail. Seriously if you knew that another lockdown would make you and your partner redundant with no furlough scheme this time would you really be wanting one?

For many people this is a reality. I already lost my job during the first lockdown it was an awful experience and the stress it caused us as a family was incredible.

Yes it's a horrible virus but we cannot risk the entire economy and the future of a generation by closing the country down again.

There will not be a furlough this time as we can’t afford it. So I can’t see us going into full lockdown. It will be localised with schools and businesses remaining open. Pubs, leisure and restaurants will close.

@Coffeeandbeans

There will not be a furlough this time as we can’t afford it. So I can’t see us going into full lockdown. It will be localised with schools and businesses remaining open. Pubs, leisure and restaurants will close.

Pubs, leisure and restaurants are also businesses

The current estimate is that 20,000 to 50,000 people have died due to insufficient cancer treatment due to lockdown

People calling for further lockdowns with the covid death rate as it is (1 today in a population of 56,000,000) have lost their minds

@hamstersarse

Well, we were two weeks behind Italy... People such as you were rubbishing such “scaremongering”.... Two weeks later we were surpassing Italy...

The current estimate is that 20,000 to 50,000 people have died due to insufficient cancer treatment due to lockdown

Where is your source for this?

Firstly, if that were the case, excess deaths would be massively higher than they are.

Secondly, lockdown didn’t stop any cancer treatment. I don’t remember the lockdown rules being:

1. Stay at home apart from exercising once a day
2. Don’t social with those outside your household
3. Don’t go for essential cancer treatment

If cancer treatments were stopped, that was due to hospitals responses to Covid infection and the need to provide Covid-free areas. It wasn’t caused by “lockdown” - that’s ridiculous.

@hamstersarse

The current estimate is that 20,000 to 50,000 people have died due to insufficient cancer treatment due to lockdown

People calling for further lockdowns with the covid death rate as it is (1 today in a population of 56,000,000) have lost their minds

I don't understand this argument that lockdown was the cause of cancer treatment being interrupted. Surely the cause was Covid. No lockdown would have meant even more cases of Covid so even less cancer treatment. What logic am I missing here?

@hamstersarse

And I don’t want another lockdown - that would be disastrous, and it would be a total overreaction to do that currently. But it’s minimisers such as you who are, ironically, the biggest risk to us going back into lockdown by agitating for people to act like it’s “all over”.

@hamstersarse er, where are all those dead bodies because they’re not in the ONS excess deaths figures? if you mean, potential deaths in the future because of delayed referrals, then you might want to look up missed treatments in a Sweden, the sunlit uplands of the Covid denier but where patients stayed away from hospitals & doctors because they were so worried by rampant Community infection.
Lockdown didn’t do this, Covid did. We are in a pandemic, it is shit all round.

Whether we want another lockdown or not, we’ll be getting one. The rest of the WORLD will be locking down again, it’s the only way. They’ll find the money.

I am in hospitality and we are doing a sweepstake on the date the pubs close again, closest wins.

If they dont then the money will be donated to a local hospice. No one is expecting us to make a donation.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/saturday-interview-karol-sikora-zr3qxsn6f

Look up Professor Karol Simons, former head of oncology for the WHO

It’s not something much of the MSM are talking about as they are obsessed with COVID, as are many on MN, but we really need to get some perspective

[quote Derbygerbil]@hamstersarse

And I don’t want another lockdown - that would be disastrous, and it would be a total overreaction to do that currently. But it’s minimisers such as you who are, ironically, the biggest risk to us going back into lockdown by agitating for people to act like it’s “all over”.[/quote]
Out of interest, when would it Bt ‘over’ for you?

We had one death yesterday, the average age of people who have died in the UK is 82....when do you think we should get on with life?

I find the gloomy, smug self-satisfaction of threads like this really distasteful - I wonder if all the covid deniers would like to comment. There's such relish in the "I told you so" of it all.

Honestly, when this virus goes away, there'll be some posters on here who will lose all meaning and purpose to their life.

@Namechanger20183110

I'm not sure you can say we are 2 weeks behind France without looking at the extent of their measures compared to ours. For example, the article that because of this spike :

"Large-scale gatherings for the public are limited to 1,000 seated people, with minimum one-metre (3ft) distance"

1000 people? What on earth was the limit before? We are not allowing anything more than 30 therefore we cannot make predictions based on what is happening there

I absolutely agree with this. I read the same article and was shocked that events of 1000 people were going ahead with minimal social distancing.

@Loonyloo87

Look at you All, so doom and gloom, it’s like you’re praying for a lockdown. Lighten up and stop all this miserable talk

Agree with this - there is almost a sense of triumphant glee in the OPs post, like she is absolutely delighted that things might be about to go to shit again.

@PremierInn

They have in some areas - my trust has three hospitals (2 acute) and one is designated a red zone hospital plus a&e. You can only be admitted to the other one for scheduled procedures following negative tests

It is odd how often people cling to the hope that cases can go up hugely without hospitalisations following close behind. In my view, if cases go up a lot, it is absolutely inevitable that hospitalisations will follow. The only question is when.

This depends on the age of the people getting Covid. If many are over 50, say, then this happens a week or two after. If they are largely “young” then what happens is that those young people don’t get very ill. But after a bit there are so many infected young people in the community that older people start getting it and they do get very ill. In other words it just delays the hospitalisations by a few weeks.

Well yes, we could have used the time to establish separate hospitals for covid, but why bother when you can just cancel everything else and become the national covid service

London has "clean" and "hot" hospitals (as well as zones within hospitals) as a plan for the Marsden to take over all cancer care, private hospitals to be used for 'clean' procedures etc.