In all honesty. Do you think people will follow Mondays rule.. Honest truth

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Everyone I have spoken to, or seen on SM have said how stupid it is and they will not be following the rule /law.

My dbs manager who owns the workplace. Was due to have a get together at home next sunday for their teens birthday.
They are now doing it at work. ( a garage.)
Has now said by doing it there and ' booking in the relatives cars for a visual inspection /safety check ' whilst waiting they could get together on forecourt spaced out, Because they would be 'customers' and they would be at work. And it's no different to it being random customers just because it's family.
So there would be 2 cars' booked in' one of. Which is a couple., one a family Of 3. Plus their own household of 4 (the teens work there weekends cleaning etc anyway)

Which made me think how silly the rule is. They can't do that in their garden but can on a forecourt (the garage is not on a main road or anything and out the way so unlikely to be seen)

@goldensummerhouse

And while we continue to be a nation of smugfaced "I'm a special case" loophole finders we'll keep having to live under these restrictions while other countries get back to normal.

Ah I know. Worse still is more restrictions as a result.

It's a pain because we're a family of 4 (2 adults, 2 kids) and know lots of similar families. Now we can't meet up with a 2nd family for a socially distanced catch-up any more. This is the social pattern that's got us through the summer.

There's nothing to stop both families sitting at adjacent tables in the pub garden, or the park cafe. Assume the outside play areas are still open, in which case two families can go to the park at the same time?

Like it matters when the school kids are mixing shoulder to shoulder with no PPE in their hundreds?!?

I’ll be sticking to “meeting in a group of no more than 6”. And probably doing max 2 households indoors as that seems like a safe idea. But if that means dh and I and 2 friends meeting socially in a group of 4 in the living room while my 3 teenagers are in their rooms, then that’s fine too.

I can't foresee myself or most I know breaking the rules, but I admit I find all the changes and clarifications hard to follow at times so generally just keeping to ourselves.

I think the idea is that we all restrict our social contacts so that kids can mix at school.

Many will bend the rules from time to time but we will generally stick to the up to 6 rule and during this time save the money we would have spent socialising towards a big-ish project.

So try and turn this around a bit into an opportunity to save a bit. Clearly would prefer for pre-lockdown life, but that is not where it's at right now.

I mean up to 6 means most people can see who they want but just in smaller groups, it could be worse.

It’s the law now

However as we know lots on MN and in the wider world out there are telling us they are all going to ignore it and carry on

Well good for you, then do t come bleating when we go into a full lockdown at Christmas

It’s not hard to follow the law for a few more months in the hope the whole country can back to normality quicker

Just suppose you break the rule and have say 8 people in a gathering, one of you tests positive and has to tell track and trace the contacts you had, would you just list 5 people and ignore the other ones as they would realise you have broken the law,

I will be visiting my parents

The truth is that some people will obey the rules and some will not.
The Gov hope that by having 'Covid Marshalls', etc the police will fine some of the rule breakers, enough to deter the others.

No, and they'll be the first to complain when their inactions cause further lockdown.

Family of 5 here, all young kids, so where one goes they all go so we cant even see grandparents! We will literally have to choose which one of us gets the privilege of seeing one other person from outside our bubble of 5 at any one time, that's assuming that one person doesn't need to have parents/partners etc in tow as well. So basically, none of us now get a social life for god knows how long (with the exception of work and school) yet single people or those without children get to socialise to their hearts content with 4/5 other people from 4/5 different households at any one time!

I think alot of people will say they are following but behind closed doors will continue to do whatever they want.

I've been genuinely surprised at things I've seen from people who constantly talk about social distancing for example my sister is currently on a weekend away at a cottage with two friends so three households in total. Posting pics all over Facebook, nobody seems to bat an eyelid. Went to a funeral 6 weeks ago, no social distancing at all and 30+ people at the wake (not one mask in sight). Even my parents seem to be having friends for dinner etc. The majority of people I know are behaving like this while at the same time complaining about new rules coming into place. I've stopped paying any attention to people now as nobody seems to be true to their word.

I am actually a bit angry because I am 12 weeks pregnant and feel like I will have to limit the time I spend with my family now but don't want to be seen as being neurotic about touching, hugging etc.

@chocolatesaltyballs22

There is absolutely no evidence that there would ever be a 'second wave.' Cases have gone up all over the world, but no 'second wave' has happened. In the meantime, in order to avoid this fictional second wave, people have to suffer and die. Where's the logic in that? That's a genuine question by the way, especially as many of the people 'saved' from infection by these measures will just get infected at a later stage anyway.

Erm, Spain?? Their infection rate is now higher than it was prior to the original lockdown. I'd call that a second wave, dunno about you.

Their infection rate appears higher due to greater testing, however their death rate is about 7% of what it was in April.

But gyms and sports events etc will keep going despite Japan who have a very low death rate closed them down quickly as its where people breathe heavily etc it spreads more, so I'm okay to take DC to football where all the parents go and I will be so dont even know the point of mg post now, its all just to little to late.

@TheDailyCarbuncle totally agree

I don't think I'm a special case BTW, I just think that this particular rule is ludicrous. I won't be out raving with 30 people but if I want 7 people in my home instead of 6, I will have them.

I didn't follow illogical arbitrary rules at school, I didn't follow them at work and I will not follow them now whether they're the law or not. If you want to report me having 7 people in my home you are welcome to. I doubt the police will give a shit.

The people who say, 'stricter restrictions will result,' what happens then? The strict restrictions are put in place, then loosened, then put in place again, then loosened, until when? We all just give up and die and be done with it?

As soon as people have more contact, infections are going to go up. We cannot keep them at a low level all the time no matter what. Constant flip flopping and meaningless limitations just exhaust people and piss them off without doing any good. At some point they just have to stop treating people like naughty children and allow everyone to get on with their lives. Strangely enough, most people will be sensible and not go out and snog a hundred other people.

@PatriciaPerch

Oh :( I was going out tonight to snog 100 people

Think of the potential halitosis!

Joking aside what really bothers me is the belief that some people have that if they follow all the rules they'll be safe forever more. It's very likely that the vast vast majority of the hundreds of people still getting infected are being careful - restricting socialising, washing hands etc and they still got infected because covid is a very infectious disease that you simply can't avoid for the rest of your life.

Yes. It's law now. I have 3 children so not ideal but I'd rather set a good example for them.

@TheDailyCarbuncle

Joking aside what really bothers me is the belief that some people have that if they follow all the rules they'll be safe forever more. It's very likely that the vast vast majority of the hundreds of people still getting infected are being careful - restricting socialising, washing hands etc and they still got infected because covid is a very infectious disease that you simply can't avoid for the rest of your life.

Of course the risk is there. But if we want to track Belgium not Spain we need to lower numbers. Education and economy priority so socialisation it is.

It was asked on another thread how did Belgium do it. They had five people max introduced.

I would risk breaking it for us all to see grandparents all together (kids under 12 don't count in Wales and Scotland apparently?!).

Was wondering about if kids asleep upstairs can we have some friends round as well.

Other than that will stick to it (and won't find it very hard over the next 2-3 months).