In all honesty. Do you think people will follow Mondays rule.. Honest truth

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Everyone I have spoken to, or seen on SM have said how stupid it is and they will not be following the rule /law.

My dbs manager who owns the workplace. Was due to have a get together at home next sunday for their teens birthday.
They are now doing it at work. ( a garage.)
Has now said by doing it there and ' booking in the relatives cars for a visual inspection /safety check ' whilst waiting they could get together on forecourt spaced out, Because they would be 'customers' and they would be at work. And it's no different to it being random customers just because it's family.
So there would be 2 cars' booked in' one of. Which is a couple., one a family Of 3. Plus their own household of 4 (the teens work there weekends cleaning etc anyway)

Which made me think how silly the rule is. They can't do that in their garden but can on a forecourt (the garage is not on a main road or anything and out the way so unlikely to be seen)

We've decided we'll see one other fam at a time meaning there will be eight of us in total most of the time. As that's the Scottish and Welsh position it seems absurd to suggest there's any reason not to. And with young children, that's how we see our friends - lunches and dinners at home, room for kids to play while we have a gossip and a glass or two on a sat evening. We won't go any further than that in terms of numbers and it won't be events and gatherings every weekend, probably once a month max.

I'll be following the rules. (After I come home from working with 1550 11-18 year olds and 170 adults...)

A PP said Spain has a higher infection rate now than before their lockdown
That is rubbish
Their detected infection rate may be higher, but the earlier rate was based on very ill, mainly hospitalised people. Now 2/3 of them have no or very mild symptoms and of the rest most wouldn't have been detected in Mar. Death rate may be up slightly but is nothing like it was.

Erm, Spain?? Their infection rate is now higher than it was prior to the original lockdown. I'd call that a second wave, dunno about you.

Someone else said there is no immunity to this disease that is patently not true and if it was there would have been many more infections and more of them would have been serious.
The American doctor is speculating for a start but also it is irrational to say they would have to be ill enough to need hospital to achieve herd immunity. Getting it mildly is just as likely to give immunity as getting it badly

Following or not following the rules won't make the difference. Exposure to someone who is infected (directly or indirectly) is the only way of contracting it.

One person could break every rule going and escape it, others could be more or less fully locked down and pick it up from a carer or relative they live with.

Someone who follows the spirit of the law by avoiding places where they come into contact with large numbers of people, avoid close contact with any but their immediate circle and wash their hands regularly are much less likely to become infected than someone who follows the letter of the law but doesn't actually think about reducing risk of transmission.

Case rate (in medical terms a case is someone who is actually ill rather than one who has 'tested positive') in nearly every country has followed what is known as the Gompartz curve - and this has happened regardless of strict, light or no lockdown. Same as every new infection ever in the Northern Hemisphere temperate zone. The curve has followed exactly as would have been expected, with or without mask, distancing etc.

AND flu deaths over the summer have also followed their normal numbers - low in summer but this year consistent with other years - which basically means the actions we've taken have done nothing to reduce the spread of the flu virus. If it hasn't affected the normal spread of the flu virus, we can be pretty sure it is nothing we have done that has reduced the spread of CV19.

Infections going up - err yes because we are testing more and more. And if you take more tests into areas that are having a bit of a variation you are going to find more mild and asymptomatic infections. These are not 'cases' they are well people. They may have a mild case, they may be carry old virus particles, BUT if they are not ill they are not cases.

Yes - we will get more as we go into colder weather but in the main it is only those who are as vulnerable to flu as they are to Covid that are really at risk (and have as much chance of dying of flu as covid, (maybe more if this summer is anything to go by) and they need to do exactly what they have done to mitigate their risks in previous years.

No I won't

@GeorginaTheGiant

I have zero intention of not meeting with another family in our garden on the basis that we would number seven. That’s utter bollocks. I also won’t be going to a pub with five other friends from five other households, which is allowed, because it’s far riskier and not something I’m comfortable. I will continue to apply critical thinking and my own judgement of ACTUAL risk, and not follow arbitrary rules so that I can pay myself on the back for doing my bit while possibly doing things that are actually quite risky (e.g. pubs with multiple households). I will do my bit using my best intelligent judgement of my own individual circumstances and will sleep soundly at night.

Of course the govt has to plan at a population level and not account for every individual situation. But I truly believe that if we apply the rules with common sense and intelligence, the overall effect will be the same. No govt minister actually believes that a family of three meeting a family of four is more risky than six individuals from six households meeting up. They just have to draw the lines simply and clearly at some point. My conscience would be absolutely clear in braking them in certain circumstances. It wouldn’t, however, be clear if I visited an elderly relative the morning after sitting in a busy pub which is ‘allowed’.

Absolutely this.

I will definitely be following the rules. To be honest with our daughter being back in school I feel we have "spent" all our risk if that makes sense??? We had kind of come to that conclusion even before the new rules came in - I think having one large element of social mixing in our life (ie. school-going child) is enough risk!

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What is the bloody Pret obsession ?

I think I will on the whole. The main difficulty I will have is when my mum is caring for my 7mo niece and wants to come to mine for a coffee and to play with my daughter as they are both a similar age. My niece is quite unsettled when not with her mum who has just finished mat leave. It's a really long day for my mum as my niece does cry a lot but being around her cousins is a bit of distraction and respite.

I've followed all the rules to the letter so far, however this one I don't really have a choice in breaking it, my mother lives in a household with 5 others, this means from Monday it will be illegal for her to look after my DS in her home. I need her childcare so I can work. I won't be socialising with my friends in groups of more than 6 but I need childcare.

People who aren't following the rules now will continue to ignore them.

I rarely socialise in groups of more than 6 and have a small family so I won't be affected much, but IF my usual Xmas dinner involved 7 people, I would definitely not be excluding 1 person because of this new law.

I will follow the rules.

I work with very small children and think a lot of the rules are stupid and utterly pointless. A child tried to stick his bottle in my mouth the other day and I've been sneezes on a number of times this week....heaven forbid though that my family of four should meet in a park, socially distanced from my friends family of three...we might kill people!!!

So far I have followed the rules, we live in an area that continues on tighter restrictions and it has been so hard.
However my DC are home educated and since March none of our usual activities or groups or casual meet ups have been running. We were all hoping that come September a few things would be able to start running again but that isn’t happening so I think we will be meeting friends outside. I see no reason why smallish groups of home ed children cannot meet in a park to socialise and play, it is far less risky (imo) than children being sat in a classroom all day.

Our rules have been tightened, not quite a local lock down though. I'm so sad. We had 2 households meeting indoors every Sunday since the rules allowed it. As of midnight last night that's no longer allowed. DH works long shifts and I now work from home so the sundays were the only time I had interaction with an adult. DS is lovely but at 9 months he's not much of a conversationalist.

If hospitalisations rise more people will stick to the rules.

@CrunchyNutNC

Let's hope so otherwise we will end up in lockdown again.

exactly. I think the rules are arbitrary too but if people were more sensible in the first place... nevermind.

I think the only time I’d be tempted to break the rules is for dp, the 2 kids and I, to see his parents household which consists of his mum, dad and disabled brother. I just can’t see any scenario that would exclude one of us, going down well...

Most people will, most of the time ('most' is 50%+), but there will be a hard core who never have and won't anyway. Then there's a proportion which find the ever changing rules/guidance difficult to keep up with who will accidentally stray, occasionally or more frequently; and a proportion which will not always follow the rules, knowing of them, because it's a special occasion/they're fed up/they 'forgot'/a friend suggested it ...

Yes I will follow them but then for us it's not a great hardship. All 3 DC aren't living locally so no dropping in.

In fact the new rules give me more freedom than before. It now means I can have the Book Group (or at least 5 of them) round which I couldn't before. And I can join small groups of friends in their homes rather than their gardens. Thats assuming I want to. We'll have to see how things develop.

But, DS3 has just left for university having spent all summer on his own being good here at home.

Unfortunately, good as he normally is, I know there will be small scale parties/meeting up etc. I mean he lives in a house of 6 and no doubt several of them have boy/girlfriends who will visit. I don't like it, but it inevitably will happen.

Here we will and believe the majority will, but guess there are those who will not and in our area have seen people getting too close to each other and giving no respect to recommendation of distancing.
The pubs in particular should have not been allowed to open, there will be some who will not care at all after a few drinks as one can see this kind of person falling out after closing time and those serving them will not complain, now will they.
The masks, will not be worn constantly whilst there or how will they
drink!
I also feel that the vat on masks should be lifted as a way to help
off set the cost, as it will add yet another financial burden to all
and government can help by zero rating for same.

No. I've followed everything "strictly so far" but not sure about this. If further restrictions are needed than albeit but not grasping the logic of this law. How can it be safe, fine and dandy to go abroad for 2 weeks but having my parents round in MY own home is illegal? If this drags on I will most likely have a gathering of seven to see my parents, other than that i will abide by it.

We've hardly been out socially since we saw this coming in late Feb early March because we're shielding a family member with a serious illness. We have met the odd one or two people outside fewer than a dozen times, had only one other person in the house, just once.

Between us, only three days at the office in all that time, WFH, we're lucky. We do have to make the odd trip to the shops but always wear a mask and wash all purchases, from shops and internet, or place them in 'quarrantine' for a week.

We were quite ill over new year and think we've already had covid, and now we want to protect, not just ourselves, but others as well. I'm fed up with hearing people flout the 'rules' however stupid they seem. The 'rules' are there to reduce the spread of the disease, OK a pretty flawed and blunt instrument but better than nothing. It's not OK for anyone to just carry on as normal without making any attempt to help reduce the spread of this disease as if they are the only ones that matter.

Many people, hospital and care workers, shop workers and other essential workers have to carry on working now even if they suffer from risk factors and underlying conditions that make them very vulnerable.

Personally, I don't ever want to look back and think maybe my behaviour contributed to a death from covid.

The kids do need to try and get back to school, same with uni, but seriously that doesn't mean the rest of us should feel free to ignore the risks and carry on as normal. It's not about keeping or flouting rules, it's about trying to care for each other. We need to be educating ourselves and behaving in a way that reduces the spread of the bloody virus.

I'll be following the rule. Very disappointed not to be able to see my son for a while, (he lives in Sandwell so...) but I can see the point and so will do as I'm told.

We'll be sticking to the rules. Both my husband and myself work at home, it's only our primary school children that will be socialising in their bubbles at school. I'm in the North East so we are right in the centre of the huge surge. Unbelievably people don't care though. Our council has secured more tests as there has been a shortage and everyone is in an uproar because we are on the edge of a local lockdown and some people think more tests mean more cases. So they don't want the tests so that more cases aren't recorded so that we don't end up in a local lockdown. Obviously people will still be infected and still walking round infecting people but as long as we don't know how many that's OK apparently. Honestly I'm slightly concerned about this. I nievely thought if people got symptoms they would isolate and get checked.

I will stick to the rules, not happy but what can you do.
I have 3 children with sen, and a household of more then 6 so will not be seeing anyone now.
Don't understand how 2 households of more then 6 cant mix but 6 of all different households can.
It was the only thing that was 'normal' and now havent got that.

I have always been strict and will continue to be so. Both myself and DH are in high risk groups. My social distancing is more than 6ft. I always wear a mask, do shopping online and have cut down contacts. I work but can isolate myself if necessary. I was out with a group of 6 today with social distance plus. Likely to cut that now.