Civil Unrest?

[HannoK]

If freedoms and liberties, and basic services continue to be denied to us, I predict mass unrest starting in the autumn and winter among those whose lives have been trashed for a virus that causes little more than a cough in most cases.

People are not going to put up with this shit for much longer.

I've stuck to the rules 100%, but that was too protect the NHS. But why, my elderly mother desperately needs face to face help with various medical issues and is getting nothing. I'm fucking fuming and reaching the end of my tether.

I think people will unhappily accept things as they are through the winter.

Once we get into March/April though and it's 12 months since the initial lockdown, that's when more and more people will say enough is enough now. Especially if they still can't go to gigs, football matches, even have live music in pubs and the restrictions are still in place and widespread masks.

I don't think a lot of people will accept it all for a second summer. That's where civil unrest will be a risk. If it's next summer and all the gigs and festivals have been postponed and a bunch of restrictions in place everywhere, then it'll bubble to the service.

OP - What does your mother need that she isn't getting? She will get a face to face if needed, if she isn't then she should be. The blame is with the GP or whomever, not the "rules" which state that GP services should be up and running.

My two elderly mums are getting face to face for all sorts of thing. They have had gynae appointments at hospital, dermatology at health clinics (which was , they have had daily visits by GP's and community health for chest issues, leg dressings, etc etc.

Oh fuck off with this nonsense. Is it expected to join forces with the Brexit riots?

We can meet up with close family. We can go to work. We can enjoy swimming, gyms, cinemas, outdoor gatherings, hobbies like ice skating, shopping and so on. We are not locked down in our homes, and if people stick to the rules as and when they change, then we should keep these freedoms.

I have in no way found lockdown fun or easy but fgs civil unrest for having to wear a mask and limit the amount of people you see in one go, how utterly selfish and ridiculous can people be

The trouble is, none of this is happening in a vacuum. We were a massively unequal society before the pandemic, and Covid is rapidly turning these gaps into gaping chasms. Then at the same time you have Brexit, which will disproportionately impact on younger people’s lives, and the ongoing threat of climate change. All of the restrictions around Covid have also removed the one thing that was keeping many vulnerable and disadvantaged people going - their social support network and ability to access help in a timely manner.

It’s not really about masks and one way systems; it’s about desperation, injustice and fear for the future.

We already had civil unrest over the summer. There was the BLM marches which in a minority of cases ended in violence and disorder. Then one week you had a bunch of football fans going out to London and causing mayhem on the pretext of 'defending statues'. On a normal Saturday they'd have been at the football but it was shut down. They'd have been in the pub but it was shut down. There is a cause and effect element.

You also had that mad cap period where statues were getting defaced and street signs were being vandalised and that escalates a feeling of somewhere between unrest and anarchy, at a time when things aren't normal. Look at the scenes in much of America throughout this pandemic.

As someone else said these things don't happen in a vacuum. It's long term grievances coming out as well. In normal times people just get on with their lives. If next summer is similar then the unrest I fear will be a lot worse. Throw the repercussions of Brexit (no deal or otherwise), mass unemployment, potentially mass evictions from residencies, a bust economy etc etc and a lack of normal distractions to let off steam (football matches, gigs, festivals).

Civil unrest? The British public are so apathetic they can barely get 60% of them to vote in a general election.

How helpful will civil unrest will be in the current pandemic situation OP?

A poster who thinks Covid is just a cough! Tell that to the families of the thousands who have died. DH is a GP - they have been working throughout. If a face to face appointment is required, patients are given one.

Civil unrest because of wearing a mask? Oh please.

The childishness and selfishness of the 'liberties being infringed' brigade is ridiculous.

No OP, people will moan and groan on social media and MN and then go back to netflix. Apathy in the UK will prevent civil unrest (good thing)

If you want to protest for the right to catch and spread a virus, fill your boots. That's what they are doing I Florida. Doesnt look pretty (the protest or the consequences).

@Cocklepops

Oh do fuck off, OP.

Well constructed arguement. Well done. Very clever.

I'm glad most people on this thread are disagreeing with you that it's "just a cough". We are in the middle of a global pandemic of a virus that is not yet fully understood.

Personally, I've had face to face appointments when needed. I had a growth on my face. Gp saw me in person, and within 2 weeks I was seen by a dermatologist at my local hospital.

I'm pregnant and I had my booking appointment over the phone, but have since seen a midwife in person. I've been referred to an obstetrician due to my age, and was offered a choice of phone or face to face. My husband is allowed to come to my scan (but won't be allowed for the whole labour with the rules as they are at the moment which is really worrying me).

No OP, people will moan and groan on social media and MN and then go back to netflix. Apathy in the UK will prevent civil unrest (good thing)

Apathy is a good thing?

@WellRiddleMeThis

Well op hasn’t bothered to come back!

So sorry. I was on the phone trying to get some treatment for my paranoid mother. But apparently they have 20+ home visits today already. Ah well...never mind. At least we are all "staying safe"

@tornadoalley

Oh fuck off with this nonsense. Is it expected to join forces with the Brexit riots?

We can meet up with close family. We can go to work. We can enjoy swimming, gyms, cinemas, outdoor gatherings, hobbies like ice skating, shopping and so on. We are not locked down in our homes, and if people stick to the rules as and when they change, then we should keep these freedoms.

Exactly this, what freedoms have you lost that are so earth shattering? We didn't even lockdown completely at the height of it like other countries

@TempsPerdu Apathy vs people acting like idiots, rioting, hurting others and burning then yes - this a good thing. People like the OP thinking that rioting as their Mum doesn't get a face to face GP appointment would help how?

Apathy as in people not being bothered to vote in elections etc, then not so good.

@GrumpyMug2 you're joking right?

Not really, what freedoms have you lost exactly?

I think it's more likely that people will simply ignore the rules.

@GrumpyMug2 I can only assume you didn't have much of a life pre-covid if you think our freedoms have not been affected.

[quote HannoK]@GrumpyMug2 I can only assume you didn't have much of a life pre-covid if you think our freedoms have not been affected.[/quote]
Thank you for answering my question with an insult, but not an actual answer

I'd also like to know what freedoms you have lost.

No after school clubs, no athletics training, no choirs, restrictions on weddings, funerals, not allowed in GP surgery but have to wait outside, no meeting more than 6 people, no hugging, no library, no clubs for the elderly, no right to free movement, no competent education, covid marshalls, ......I could go on

If we were in a situation where our civil liberties were bring curtailed, I imagine most of the UK would just shrug and get on with their lives because “that’s the law innit.”

If people were ordered to put up a portrait of Boris in their houses or have their children forced to join some sort of youth group, I’m sure most people would comply.