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Supermarket refuses service without mask

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torn2020 · 10/09/2020 16:59

The supermarket in my small town has taken the decision to refuse entry to anyone without a mask, even if they're exempt/carrying a card/wearing a lanyard etc. Apparently the exemption cards "were being abused".

Judging from comments on the local Facebook group, there's overwhelming support for this.

I'm horrified/disgusted at the overt discrimination and lack of empathy. Would say I'll boycott but actually have no choice since I'm unable to wear a mask (due to PTSD from being choked and strangled as a child, for those who like to jump in and say I should just put up with it for a 5 min shop). Apparently mask exempt people "don't have the right to just go wherever they want".

AIBU at despairing at humanity just a little bit more today?

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Vivana · 13/09/2020 16:04

I'm more concerned about people not social distancing. At work today I was on my break and wearing a mask as I got my lunch in the store I worked up and people coming right up to me asking where stuff is. I told them to back away nicely before I would even help them. Supermarket workers don't want people coming right up to them nor does customers want others coming upto them. I don't care if people wear a mask but I do care people not social distancing

Stripedarmchair · 13/09/2020 19:31

@PennyDreadfuI

For example, I’m exempt but I don’t wear my lanyard to say so. I’d rather be thought of as a naughty horrid none mask wearer than have all the people I bump into on a daily basis suddenly know I have a hidden disability. That’s my private medical information. If a shop assistant asked me about my mask, I would get my lanyard out of my bag and politely show them but I won’t wear it before I go in. I’d imagine a lot of people feel the same way

Today, I wore not one but two lanyards to Tesco (a sunflower one and one which has MASK EXEMPT written on it in huge letters).

I was called a dirty pig, tutted at, overheard 'bet she hasn't even washed her hands', glared at... All within about 40 minutes.

Lanyards are useless. Either nobody notices them, or they don't believe them. I maintain that even if they were 'official', some people would still react in the same way.

From now on I think I'll do this too. The lanyard stays in my bag until I'm questioned by staff - other customers judge me anyway, so nothing will change there.

That’s horrible that you’ve experienced people being so awful to you :(

In a strange way I think not wearing the lanyard actually works better because people assume we are the “aggressive will argue back because mask free for liiiiiife” type of people who will kick off if approached so they darent say anything to us. Whereas when we wear the lanyard we are an easy target for all the oddbods who think no one should be exempt.

HeIenaDove · 13/09/2020 19:53

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=D344D7DC-F26D-11EA-81F3-D58C96E8478F&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom2=facebook_page&fbclid=IwAR0LfSd8FJMpjC7aN34X-H_-lU1qItChlkA2MkKQyKi7DkGo7BbWp8FpnyI

Coronavirus: Man with chronic asthma 'forced' to wear mask on plane
By Anna Collinson
Health correspondent

A man with serious breathing issues says he was "ambushed" into wearing a face covering on a plane.

EasyJet has apologised after one of its pilots was filmed threatening to remove the passenger from the flight.

The man was carrying an exemption card - but it was rejected by the crew on his journey from Jersey to Gatwick.

Face coverings on UK public transport are mandatory but some people are allowed not to wear them, due to age, health or disability reasons.

Wearing a face covering is "strongly recommended" on the Island of Jersey, but certain groups are allowed not to wear them, including those with breathing difficulties.

The BBC has also been told of cases where people with lung conditions have been turned away from shops and other types of public transport because they were unable to wear a mask.

Charities say exemptions must be respected by companies and understood by the public.

With masks now a part of daily life, the challenge for many is striking a balance between safety procedures and protecting vulnerable people

Nick says he can't wear anything around his face or neck because he has chronic asthma.

"Whether it's a polo neck or a scarf round your face, the sensation is stifling. I just find it increasingly difficult to breathe," he says. "It's like a steel belt round my chest."

Research suggests face coverings can help reduce the spread of coronavirus, particularly indoors where physical distancing is difficult.

The Department for Transport for England says those who are exempt can choose to carry a card, badge or a homemade sign.

However, providing documentation is a personal choice and not necessary in law.

Storm of abuse'
Nick had printed off an official exemption card from the government's website before flying to the island of Jersey to see his family in August.

The card was accepted on the flight out, but on the return journey the crew said it was not valid and he would have to wear a mask.

Nick refused. He says: "The staff came to speak to me around six times. The 30-minute delay was seen as my fault and each visit whipped up more hostility among the passengers.

"I was insulted, shouted at, laughed at. It felt like everybody was against me."

Nick says he became so desperate he started filming on his phone.

Footage shows the pilot refusing to accept his exemption card and saying if Nick didn't put on a mask, he "was off".

Nick eventually agreed, but says it caused him to hyperventilate during the hour-long flight.

"I would do anything to avoid wearing anything that restricts my breathing. That's more terrifying than being insulted by 100 passengers, but eventually I felt like I had no choice."

Shaken by the "storm of abuse" he says he received from other passengers, Nick requested partial anonymity when speaking to the BBC.

EasyJet says all customers are required to wear a face covering but acknowledges some passengers may not be able to.

A statement from the airline said: "We have recently updated our policies in line with recent UK government guidance so that as well as a medical certificate, customers can alternatively provide a relevant document from a government website or lanyard.

"We are sorry that this new policy was not recognised by the crew on this occasion."

The airline described Nick's behaviour as "disruptive", but a passenger, who did not want to be named, said he behaved "calmly" in a "stressful situation".

"No-one seemed to care about his condition. The staff should have taken him away from the other passengers to have the conversation in private," he tells the BBC.
Impossible to breathe'
Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation called Nick's story a distressing case, but says there are others like him.

"The government is really clear there are exemptions from wearing a mask," explains Head of Policy, Sarah MacFadyen.

"The vast majority of people with lung conditions are fine wearing a mask, but for a small number it is impossible for them to breathe. That's why these exemptions are in place, so they can still go out and live their lives.

LouiseNW · 13/09/2020 20:54

helenadove

I disagree with you quite a lot but you always give food for thought.

In fact thought about you this afternoon, had to go into a Sainsbury’s pharmacy for a scrip and it was playing, for the first time, a loop not just asking people to wear a mask and social distance but also reminding customers that some are unable to do either and for reasons that are often invisible. It asked others to remember this and treat everyone with consideration, to seek advice from a member of staff if they had concerns.

I thought it was quite powerful. If your shop isn’t doing the same, an email to head office would be very worthwhile. (Mentioning Sainsbury’s: they REALLY don’t want you taking your custom elsewhere in these straightened times 😁)

LouiseNW · 13/09/2020 20:59

Sorry, HelenaDove 😊

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 13/09/2020 21:00

helena

That was the case i was blethering on about upthread

The passengers clapped! Just awful, I’d like to think they woukd be ashamed of themselves but i bet they aren’t

bustybetty · 13/09/2020 21:04

Thing is if you are able to wear a lanyard then a mask should be not so hard. At some point you were told you had to wear clothes to enter the store and there are not too many naked people entering the store. IMHO if you are able to walk to the shops and use a mobile and have a card or cash to pay then probably you are able to do a small amount to prevent the spread... Do you not think. After all a ventilator is more uncomfortable

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 13/09/2020 21:06

That makes zero sense busty

PennyDreadfuI · 13/09/2020 21:07

@bustybetty

Thing is if you are able to wear a lanyard then a mask should be not so hard. At some point you were told you had to wear clothes to enter the store and there are not too many naked people entering the store. IMHO if you are able to walk to the shops and use a mobile and have a card or cash to pay then probably you are able to do a small amount to prevent the spread... Do you not think. After all a ventilator is more uncomfortable
Yes, because a lanyard is the same as a face covering. Or, erm, clothes Hmm
PurpleDaisies · 13/09/2020 21:10

Thing is if you are able to wear a lanyard then a mask should be not so hard

Can you really not see how idiotic this comment is?

PennyDreadfuI · 13/09/2020 21:10

@LouiseNW

helenadove

I disagree with you quite a lot but you always give food for thought.

In fact thought about you this afternoon, had to go into a Sainsbury’s pharmacy for a scrip and it was playing, for the first time, a loop not just asking people to wear a mask and social distance but also reminding customers that some are unable to do either and for reasons that are often invisible. It asked others to remember this and treat everyone with consideration, to seek advice from a member of staff if they had concerns.

I thought it was quite powerful. If your shop isn’t doing the same, an email to head office would be very worthwhile. (Mentioning Sainsbury’s: they REALLY don’t want you taking your custom elsewhere in these straightened times 😁)

This is a brilliant idea!

Asda already does this, so no need to email them. But all the other supermarkets, definitely. I'm going to get on it tomorrow morning Smile

LouiseNW · 13/09/2020 21:17

“Thing is if you are able to wear a lanyard then a mask should be not so hard”

Don’t know who said this, really can’t be bothered to scroll back for it, it’s just not worth the effort.

I’m a mask policewoman. Every person who CAN wear one should. But this comment? Good god. A lanyard is a piece of string around your neck. Unless you’re one of the unfortunate souls who has had to have a tracheotomy, and please excuse my language I’m not a sweary person, what the fuck has this got to do with wearing a mask in any way, shape or form?

I bloody despair. If this disease doesn’t kill us all, we’ll all end up beating each other to death out of sheer stupidity.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 13/09/2020 22:03

Asda already does this, so no need to email them

I think the coop does it as well

Underhisi · 13/09/2020 23:25

"Thing is if you are able to wear a lanyard then a mask should be not so hard"

"Can you really not see how idiotic this comment is?"

Since she also mentioned ventilators she probably can't.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 17/09/2020 02:56

CDC director says wearing a face mask is safer than vaccine

Published on Sep 16, 2020
The director of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said that face masks are more guaranteed to protect from coronavirus than a vaccine.

Speaking at a Senate hearing on the federal coronavirus response, CDC director Robert Redfield said if all Americans embraced masks for six to 12 weeks, they would bring the pandemic under control.

"I'm not going to comment directly about the president but I am going to comment as the CDC director that face masks, these face masks are the most important powerful public health tool we have," Mr Redfield said.

PennyDreadfuI · 17/09/2020 08:01

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

CDC director says wearing a face mask is safer than vaccine

Published on Sep 16, 2020
The director of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said that face masks are more guaranteed to protect from coronavirus than a vaccine.

Speaking at a Senate hearing on the federal coronavirus response, CDC director Robert Redfield said if all Americans embraced masks for six to 12 weeks, they would bring the pandemic under control.

"I'm not going to comment directly about the president but I am going to comment as the CDC director that face masks, these face masks are the most important powerful public health tool we have," Mr Redfield said.

And what does that have to do with being exempt from wearing a mask?
HeIenaDove · 25/09/2020 20:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54283453

Asda mask row: Man with dementia 'told to leave shop'
By Greig Watson

A woman has said she was shocked at being told to leave an Asda supermarket because her partner, who has dementia, was not wearing a mask.
Amanda Jeffrey said she was immediately challenged when the couple went into her local branch.
Staff refused to accept a "hidden disability" card carried by the couple and ordered them out of the shop.
Asda has apologised to the couple and promised they will not be challenged again.

Asda recently announced it would enforce rules on face coverings more strictly.
Mrs Jeffrey said she went into her local branch in Arnold, Nottinghamshire, on Thursday morning with her partner, Aubrey Green.
She said: "I've been getting treatment for cancer and Aubrey was diagnosed with dementia last year, so I've been sheltering.
"But we have been out a few times and not had a problem before.
"But as soon as we went through the doors a member of staff shouted over: 'Why aren't you wearing a mask?

"I was so surprised I thought they were talking to someone else.
"Once I realised it was us I said we had a hidden disability card but they said that wasn't accepted and I needed a letter from the GP.
"And all this was shouted over us, not discussed with a bit of basic courtesy".
Latest news and stories from the East Midlands
The couple left but Mrs Jeffrey said their treatment had a disturbing effect.
"I was shocked but Aubrey was left confused and agitated.
"He couldn't understand what we had done wrong and was really upset."
In a statement Asda said its staff "are fully trained to follow the latest government guidance".
"[They] will politely ask all customers to wear a face covering, unless they have a reason not to," a spokesman said.
"Clearly we got it wrong on this occasion and we have spoken to Ms Jeffrey to apologise for her experience.

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