Where do the rules clarify number of households permitted to meet inside from Monday? (Subject to max of 6)

[EarlyAMwakeups]

I can't believe I'm asking as have always felt rules were reasonably easy to understand but actually on this occasion I can't find it clarified anywhere on gov page for guidance published on 9th Sept.

It clearly states that from 14th only groups of up to 6 may meet up inside or outside. It describes the exception for a bubble ie if you are in a bubble that brings you to 7 under the previous rules that is permitted but of course you can't meet with any other people while in that 7.

But it's completely silent on household numbers whereas before it specified only two households inside (at that time of any number of individuals)

I've heard lots of people state that now multiple households can meet inside provided the total number doesn't exceed 6, and I've seen it reported on news websites, but where does the government clarify this?

It’s on their gov page. They’ve simplified it, it really is very simple. Max of 6 people inside and outside. Household numbers do not come into this, if you are a household of 5 people you can only have one other person at a time in your home.

This perhaps is what you are looking for: www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-what-has-changed-9-september

This also has some additional information about exemptions: www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing

That is the ridiculous thing with that change! Previously my family of 4 have been able to see another family of 4 indoors But from Monday that is no longer allowed yet I could now meet 5 people from 5 different households!! Surely there’s more risk there as that’s 6 different households who will have all had 6 different contacts/ works environments! If I want to see the family of 4 I could, from Monday, see them with 1 other member of my household and then immediately the other 2 members of my household could see them!? Where’s the logic in that? All 8 people still meet up just in separate groups, makes no sense at all!!

I've read both of those pages but where does it categorically say that this can now be multiple households? It just says if you are meeting friends and family indoors or out it must be up to a maximum of 6

I suppose it implies previous rules are superseded where it says "simplified" but it isn't actively stated that household number is now irrelevant

Too many people were taking the p and saying “oh we are two households of 10”. So now it’s just 6 people, period.

It did say there were exceptions for larger families but it hasn't been made clear what that means, it doesn't come into force until Monday I am sure the weekend press will thrash this out.

I don’t think the OP is questioning the maximum number of 6. She’s asking whether those 6 can now be from 6 different households indoors (previously it was only 2 households indoors).

It's the total number if people that count now rather than 2 households. One of the MPs made a reference to it, saying he's a family of 5 so from Monday they won't be able to all see both his parents at the same time as that would take the total number of people to 7.

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@Knowhowufeel2

It's the total number if people that count now rather than 2 households. One of the MPs made a reference to it, saying he's a family of 5 so from Monday they won't be able to all see both his parents at the same time as that would take the total number of people to 7.

Yes I think they made that clear. It’s just not been clarified whether the 6 people can be from 6 different households (which is a relaxation of rules from the previous ones if that’s the case).

It is 6 people. Forget about households.

It did say there were exceptions for larger families
This means if your household or support bubble is larger than 6 it's fine but you can only meet other people in groups of 6.

@Clymene but where does it say that?

It says it in the new regulations - maximum of 6 people. No mention of households because that's irrelevant now.

I agree it doesn't say anything about households and also assume that it's now irrelevant but I'm surprised it doesn't clarify that this is now no longer the guidelines

Also, isn't this now actual legislation? Previously legislation was no more than 30, but actually the rules were always two households inside, so it was against rules that people were meeting as 30 inside (unless 2 large households!) but not against law

So is this the new law but previous guidelines apply or are these the new guidelines as well as law?

It's being stated here so factually but I've been talking to educated, intelligent friends about meeting this week (in a group less than 6) and they are jokingly indicating I'm a covidiot for forgetting the 2 household rule so it's not clear to everyone

The previous guidelines don't apply after Monday. It's been simplified to be six people and that's it.

The only exception is that 30 people can attend a wedding ceremony.

Great, but just for argument's sake so I can explain to others, where does it say that the previous rules no longer apply?

Means that our neighbours young adults daughter was previously going against guidelines having 5 friends to stay every weekend drinking in the garden until all hours, but now she’s fine to do it. Good news for her I guess!

@EarlyAMwakeups

Great, but just for argument's sake so I can explain to others, where does it say that the previous rules no longer apply?

I don't know but laws don't work like that do they?

It says what's allowed. That's all you need to know. It doesn't need to say what was allowed or what isn't allowed - it says what is allowed, everything else isn't allowed.

Look up the press conference yesterday on iPlayer - they explain it in detail there

No, laws don't, but the coronavirus guidelines before weren't laws

One of the friends who doesn't think we can meet if we want to adhere to the rules (not the law) is a solicitor but neither of us have watched the conference just read the page so I will watch it and see, if they say all previous guidelines are superseded that's great for us and a big relaxation of the rules in our situation

@EarlyAMwakeups

No, laws don't, but the coronavirus guidelines before weren't laws

One of the friends who doesn't think we can meet if we want to adhere to the rules (not the law) is a solicitor but neither of us have watched the conference just read the page so I will watch it and see, if they say all previous guidelines are superseded that's great for us and a big relaxation of the rules in our situation

Depends when you plan on meeting. This new law is from Monday so before that the old rules apply limiting households. From Monday it's six people

Next Thursday

Her point is that there's a distinction between the new law, which supersedes the old law of 30, and the guidelines Re households which were previously in force despite the actual legislation being 30

I do agree with you btw but am surprised it hasn't been categorically stated. It would be easy to say "from Monday, only groups of up to 6 people may meet inside or outside. It doesn't matter anymore how many households they come from"