Covid endemic in deprived parts of England?

[MereDintofPandiculation]

A report by PHE leaked to the Observer suggests Covid-19 may be becoming endemic in deprived parts of England, explaining why rates are not decreasing despite local restrictions.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/covid-19-could-be-endemic-in-deprived-parts-of-england

Convenient. Lockdowns wont work so gov wont bother..

These areas have all the factors that increase risk: poor health outcomes, multi generational living, low paid employment (often in industries that are difficult to SD), poor and/or dense housing. I could go on.

It is easier though for the PTB to blame us feckless northerners for not doing what we should.

Local lockdown is pointless if they are working in a food factory everyday.

@TheGreatWave

These areas have all the factors that increase risk: poor health outcomes, multi generational living, low paid employment (often in industries that are difficult to SD), poor and/or dense housing. I could go on.

It is easier though for the PTB to blame us feckless northerners for not doing what we should.

Deprivation isn't just in the north. Look at jaywick and parts of the midlands,in brum about 40% of neighbourhoods are deprived. You really need to look at ward level deprivation to get an accurate picture of an area, that was my job a few years ago.

Add in the fact that testing capacity has also been reduced in the north east due to resources being diverted elsewhere.

Does that mean the government have given up on those areas.

Multiple reasons, deprivation is part of the story, a distrust of government because they are failing them, not keeping up to date with the news, believing conspiracy theories and unfortunately simply not understanding due to poor education

If you look at the figures for Rochdale for example cases never really went down at all and have not been affected by lockdown, easing of lockdown, or recent reintroduction of lockdown. Fairly flat the whole time. Very worrying.

I live in area that had further restrictions imposed. I noted no difference whatsoever - well boothes (supermarket) only let one person per household shop at a time but that lasted only about a week and people just ignored it anyway. As far as I could see no one paid any attention. I am not surprised it made little or no difference.

Multiple reasons, deprivation is part of the story, a distrust of government because they are failing them, not keeping up to date with the news, believing conspiracy theories and unfortunately simply not understanding due to poor education

Wow. Now I understand how those in prosperous areas view those of us in less wealthy areas. Ill-educated and gullible.

As well as the condescension of "simply not understanding due to poor education", it sounds like an attempt to blame the victims, and ignores that poor education is a result of deprivation. So I think, yes, it is largely deprivation at the root of it.

@MereDintofPandiculation

Multiple reasons, deprivation is part of the story, a distrust of government because they are failing them, not keeping up to date with the news, believing conspiracy theories and unfortunately simply not understanding due to poor education

Wow. Now I understand how those in prosperous areas view those of us in less wealthy areas. Ill-educated and gullible.

There is a big difference between less well off areas and areas of severe deprivation. I used to work in an area with severe deprivation, people unable to read and write, at the more extreme end one person who could write didn't know what to write when filling in her address and couldn't tell me the name of the town she was living in. She wasn't stupid but was very limited by her circumstances. She would have no hope of keeping up with the news or reading a paper.

@minnieok

Multiple reasons, deprivation is part of the story, a distrust of government because they are failing them, not keeping up to date with the news, believing conspiracy theories and unfortunately simply not understanding due to poor education

You think all people in deprived areas are thick?

So, it's news that deprivation leads to worse outcomes. Wow. Stop the presses.

We have known this for decades. Centuries even. It matters little whether it is coronavirus, flu, TB, rickets, or any other selection of health conditions that we choose to examine. It could be mortality rates or life expectancy. Educational achievement. Insecure employment. The list is endless. Poor people, in general, have shittier lives with more ill health and disability, and shorter lives.

This is just another "shocking" report to pile up in the corner with all the others. When we do something about knowing these things, that that will be news!

Manchester is hardly deprived and that's been one of the hardest hit cities for months. Leeds the same where cases are rising.

@annabel85

Manchester is hardly deprived and that's been one of the hardest hit cities for months. Leeds the same where cases are rising.

Manchester is number 6/326 on the list of most deprived areas, 1 is the highest. Source - 2019 index of Multiple Deprivation.

London seems to be doing OK wonder if more immunity there due to their initial high cases, plenty of deprived areas there.

Deprived communities need financial and housing support and these are the last things they will be given. People on zero hours contracts and low incomes need to be able to afford to isolate if necessary and those in cramped housing need to be able to isolate effectively from others. People who work in particularly high risk environments like factories need to be given adequate protection. Instead of this, these communities will be subjected to increasingly severe lockdowns that will sink greater numbers of people into poverty. People in deprived communities need to feel that the government is with and for them but we all know that they aren't.

Local lockdowns have mostly not worked because the only thing stopped was gathering in people’s homes & gardens. The government are instant cases are mostly spread in people home but clearly they aren’t. Pubs & restaurants officially couldn’t accept customers from more than one household but not a single pub, cafe, restaurant, ticketed play park etc near me followed these rules what soever. And the police had clearly been told to turn a blind eye. I watched one set of local cops walk past two pubs packed full of multi house holds & didn’t do a thing. Meanwhile, they were breaking up people meeting safely & 2m apart in private gardens 🙄 we could also travel wherever we wanted & who on Earth was policing if we went to stay with family in say London when we technically weren’t allowed.

It was just pointless. You aren’t going to squash cases by saying you can’t go into anyone’s house or garden but everything else is normal. It won’t work. It needs a proper lockdown. Or at least some better measures such as no travel. No indoor meeting at all. But they won’t do it cos economy.

But it was not just the local lockdowns due the main lockdown which didn't really work either. The cases didn't really drop that much even when all the pubs etc were closed.

Not deprived - "multicultural"

London seems to be doing OK wonder if more immunity there due to their initial high cases, plenty of deprived areas there.

It went through London like a dose of salts in Feb/March and has settled down since, despite all the pubs, marches, mass protests, civil disorder etc. Similar to New York really.

Herd immunity may have worked there then

@Pixel77

Herd immunity may have worked there then

To an extent. No crowds at sporting events, tourism grinding to a halt, social distancing, masks and empty offices (and thus quieter rush hour trains) a key factor.

So, it's news that deprivation leads to worse outcomes. Wow. Stop the presses. That's not what the report was saying. It was saying that it's endemic in deprived areas, in other words constantly maintaining itself in those areas without the need for infection from elsewhere. That is new. And worrying.