Do people actually realise how few are dying from coronavirus now?

[Mrschickpeabody]

It’s all still doom and gloom on the news as normal regarding coronavirus. Loads about cases going up, local lockdowns, negativity regarding schools going back but nothing about the fact that hardly anyone is actually dying from coronavirus or being admitted to hospital. Can we not hear about positive things for once?

@Derbygerbil

If facts that you don’t like (though don’t know why - surely it’s a good thing the SW weren’t as badly affected as London ) are simply dismissed as doom-mongering then, well, I can’t stop you living in a fantasy where the truth is whatever you would like it to be.

No idea what you are on about luv......

@DobbyTheHouseElk

I think it is not clear why you said @Derbygerbil was doom-mongering when they just stated some facts.

On the 18th March we had 999 positive test results - three weeks later on the 8th April there were 1072 deaths

On the 6th August we had 1081 positive test results - three weeks later on the 27th August there were 5 deaths

In March, due to limitations in our testing capacity, we were able to see only a tiny fraction of the true scale of infection. We can now see almost all of it.

A case now is more than 200 times less likely to translate to a death than one we found in March.

Stories of the NHS being "quiet" are, I'm afraid, something I just dont believe. I know quite a few people who work for the NHS and unless your radiologist died of Covid or is on holiday then they'll be working as fast as they can to deal with a backlog. The only time they'll have a chance to do those boring things like eat or drink will be when someone fails to turn up for their appointment.

The Nightingales were just a political smokescreen - there never were staff to make them work.

You need to look at hospital admissions, there’s hardly any in London. I don’t know why it hasn’t updated since the 8th August but there were 33 new admissions in the whole of England, 0 in London

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/Covid-Publication-13-08-2020.xlsx

It’s mental yes people are getting the virus, but they are not going to hospital or drying from it.

In ten years time we will look back at this and go WTF was all that about. project fear!!

@AlecTrevelyan006

On the 18th March we had 999 positive test results - three weeks later on the 8th April there were 1072 deaths

On the 6th August we had 1081 positive test results - three weeks later on the 27th August there were 5 deaths

In March, due to limitations in our testing capacity, we were able to see only a tiny fraction of the true scale of infection. We can now see almost all of it.

A case now is more than 200 times less likely to translate to a death than one we found in March.

How can we see almost all of it? I can't get a test within 100 miles of me, there are about 190k tests done per day BUT this number includes multiple swabs from same person (throat and nose for example) + antibody tests + old tests that are being processed now + tests that have been sent/carried out today, but will have a result later.

This is anything but clear communication.

I'm happy that hospital admissions are low. On the other hand in our area and neighboring MSOAs (geo fencing of appr 7.2k ppl) are constantly blue (3-9 infections). And we have 4 schools within 10 mins walk which all open their gates tomorrow. 3 private, so catchment area is all of London.
Problem is that if we get sick kids in either school they will be registered as infected at their home address and we'll have no idea that they are kids who came here every day....

@Mrschickpeabody

In the meantime many more businesses will fail, people will loose jobs, homes will be repossessed and other medical conditions will go untreated because we’re all so scared of dying from coronavirus.

I have long covid, it has ruined my life. No help from NHS. There is more to this than life and death.

@Mrschickpeabody @Vinoonasunnyday You should both try being admitted to A & E with severe breathing difficulties, twice in 48 hours, feeling like you're going to die (with male medical staff not taking your symptoms seriously). Or try watching your FILs funeral on your laptop, because you can't travel. Stop judging people for taking the pandemic seriously, just because you don't want to. Add a dose of compassion to your next Ocado shop.

I will listen to Chris Whitty than you lot any day of the week, plus I work in a hospital and I'm seeing the evolution of this illness.

I'm also party to the resilience planning we are currently engaging in but no, you carry on thinking you know more than the rest of us who have to deal with it everyday.

The only sheep on this thread are the idiots leading the charge on the "I'm alright Jack" brigade who only are only spouting this rubbish to look interesting.

The lockdown was about easing pressure on the NHS and there is an expectation that more people will get COVID. My highly vulnerable parents do NOT want to be added to the hospitalisation/death statistics -let someone else get the virus. As my children return to school we are having to change our lives quite dramatically as my parents are part of our household but we are doing it as, as far as we are concerned, risk mitigation is a priority and we will follow expert advice.

@Mrschickpeabody

In the meantime many more businesses will fail, people will loose jobs, homes will be repossessed and other medical conditions will go untreated because we’re all so scared of dying from coronavirus.

You claim not to want non-Covid medical conditions to go untreated. That’s good.

But why do you promote acting as though Covid is over, as that is the surest way to ensure non-Covid medical treatments are postponed again!

It’s like you’ve said “I don’t want us all to shoot ourselves in the foot!..... So what we need to do is pick up a gun and shoot directly downwards!”

I think at the moment the vast majority of people with the virus are in the 20-30 yr age group . They are not getting it badly for the most part and not ending in hospital .
The problem is if they cone in contact with more vulnerable people deaths will go up .
I would say that just because you are not hospitalised doesn’t mean it’s mild and gone . I had it in March (I believe but didn’t get tested as wasn’t in hospital ) and I’m still having breathing problems all this time on .

I know death rates are low but we have been socially distancing outside for 6 months . Let’s hope it stays this way and the more vulnerable members of our society stay safe

Thank you thank you. Someone with a bit of common sense.

On Monday morning, I shall step into a riskier space for the first time in six months. I'm going to resume my Pilates class in real life, with other people. My health is excellent, but I have to trust that so is that of the other attendees because I don't want to give any virus to my nearest and dearest. DH is more vulnerable than I am, and DS is off to university with a light heart and a spring in his step. If he contracts it, he can come home, to isolate. I'll deliver food and medication outside his bedroom door. Fortunately our region has followed all the rules and incidence is very low, ATM.

Vaccine, anyone? Everyone in the know seems very very confident.

Ah yes the supercilious mumsnetter who assumes they are the only one able to garner information from data and then make comments about ‘most people’ when of course they don’t actually know most people. The media doesn’t actually represent’ most people’s’ thoughts. The fact you assume it does says more about your own failings than anyone else’s.

We're still averaging approx 200 deaths per week above average of previous 5 years.

That's around 12 000 above average deaths per year.

They finally found a way to hide the numbers. 28 days is ridiculous.

My aunt died at the beginning of this pandemic. She was ill at home for weeks then was in hospital for weeks. Covid-19 was a major factor in her death.

My cousin died 3 days later after sudden deterioration. Covid-19 was a factor in his death.

My FIL was in hospital for non covid non life threatening reasons for 2 weeks. He was sent to a 'transition' ward to prepare him to go home. After 3 days he became very ill. Still negative for Covid-19. Within a few weeks he died. He tested positive for Covid-19.

My sister was taken into hospital in January. Delirious, dehydrated; found to have double pneumonia. On a ventilator. On the brink of death. Various combinations of antibiotics. Tube from her arm directly to near her heart for antibiotics. She was on these for six months. She can barely walk. She still has a permanent cough. She doesn't sleep very well because of her breathing. She most likely has permanent significant damage to her lungs.

Different ages, different states of health. Apart from my sister, thankfully, different deaths but all directly linked to Covid-19.

It's not drama. People aren't sheep. This virus is as bad as they say and until there's a vaccine, people will continue dying - unnecessarily - with Covid-19 as a significant factor.

I haven't received two vital health communications due this year: 1) NHS bowel cancer home test kit, and 2) NHS breast screen invitation. Both now overdue. I guess it's the same for many people. How many people will this seriously affect, I wonder?

People may not initially present as being ‘ill’ due to TB e virus, they may just have a sore throat and virus damages organs. The effects of this virus could take months to surface!
People need to stop downplaying it. It is serious. Just look at how it has impacted on nearly every country in the world!!!

Do any people on mumsnet who think we are all overreacting to covid, have parents and grandparents who are at risk of dying if they catch it? No? How lucky you are.

@Aglet

Do any people on mumsnet who think we are all overreacting to covid, have parents and grandparents who are at risk of dying if they catch it? No? How lucky you are.

I often think this.

I fear we are so badly led, the government clearly are a self-interested chaotic shitshow, that we are dividing into two culture war camps - get over it vs total fear.

This is presumably just the noise online - in real life most people are still concerned for elderly relatives, but doing more things. Most people I know are not attending illegal raves or shaking hands with strangers.

But covid denial is increasing, which is understandable as the crisis lengthens and people struggle to cope with prolonged uncertainty. All those 'get over it' types are struggling mentally just like those with huge anxiety.

I live in Spain and here the rates are currently going up and have been for a while, compared to the U.K., however the age of people contracting the virus has fallen and the hospitalisation and death rate is low. Many people are asymptomatic or have a very mild case, you wouldn’t think this if you watch the news every day. The media seems to want to feed into people’s fear and they are doing a very good job here. Some people are terrified. There are many hysterical posts on FB in my area about the children going back to school and risking death etc. I often wonder if these parents are passing this fear onto their kids, because if so, the mental health problems of this generation will long outlast COVID-19.

Completely agree, OP. The sooner the media call. The fuck down, the sooner the rest of the population will follow suit...

*calm the fuck down