Do people actually realise how few are dying from coronavirus now?

[Mrschickpeabody]

It’s all still doom and gloom on the news as normal regarding coronavirus. Loads about cases going up, local lockdowns, negativity regarding schools going back but nothing about the fact that hardly anyone is actually dying from coronavirus or being admitted to hospital. Can we not hear about positive things for once?

I don’t know anyone who has had long lasting health problems from Covid, most people know had mild symptoms and recovered with no side effects, I know because I see them every day and they tell me they are perfectly healthy. Yes some people will have long lasting health problems but what % is 0.1? No one knows, but I bet most people recover.

Why did you say you are considering homeschooling your kids due to COVID then Alex50?

Let's get Brexit back on the news and knock the corona update off the top spot. Not much to report now. A few people testing positive without symptoms. It's washing out this virus and getting less dangerous if one catches it

Doom mongers cancelling events four months away. Amazing crystal balls these governments and councils have

end restrictions and save jobs

Others think it is to control the sheeple

I love these type of posts

@Shockingstocking in case I ever did need to take my daughter out of school for whatever reason, life can change for many reasons, I was genuinely interested how it worked but I don’t want detail this thread about me.

@OLGADEEPOLGA

Yes, some people are doom-mongers who thrive on crises....

But the people who seem most desperate for a second wave are those who are so desperate to convince everyone that it’s all over and that everything should get back completely to normal. They seem to determined to bring it on and for us to battle our way through, ‘bravely’ pushing through and disregarding the collateral damage as those more vulnerable than them suffer and, many of them, die...

They are like a friend on a night out who keeps on urging you on to drink more and more, saying “just another glass/shot/bottle etc. You’ll be fine.”.... You always regret allowing the friend to convince you in the morning when you’re anything but fine puking into the toilet pan.

@FoolsAssassin. I have a friend who has been Type 1 diabetic since the age of seven. She's now about 66, and has had a pancreas transplant. It was experimental surgery a few years ago, and she hasn't been outdoors in months for shielding reasons, but that apart, she is no longer really regarded as a diabetic except for medical study.

Your DS may well be offered the transplant surgery that has transformed her life, but the medical profession will want to be CERTAIN that it will work. They spent 24 months tweaking her adjustments, and every tweak involved surgery. You wouldn't want to do that to a child unless you were sure it would be a success.

Derail this thread I meant.

@Tootsey11 yes I would 45 is young as I am 50

But @XingMing a pancreas transplant isn't going to 'remediate' her son's health for the purposes of covid because he'd then be immuno compromised...

Do you even read the words you're typing?

Beril

My mum and dads cancer treatment carried on as normal.

Dad in remission. Mum terminal.

Mum cannot spend her life that's left hiding. These vulnerable people rely on the rest of us being realistic and doing what's been asked.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard 'the deaths will come in a few weeks', 'the hospitals will be inundated in a few weeks', 'the second wave will be here before we know it'

And those people were wrong... The difference between tens of millions of people interacting every day without restriction in a multitude of super-spreading events is a far cry from some people getting within two metres passing some cakes to each other at a VE Day celebration, or even a few thousand people demonstrate outside (not conducive to spreading) at BLM events.

On one hand people say “look, everyone’s behaving normal now and there’s no second wave so Covid’s definitely over!”.... and then, without any hint of irony or appreciation of contradiction say: “why can’t we just be allowed to get back to normal! I’m fed up of not being able to do exactly what I did before - the restrictions should be lifted so we can all get back to how things were”.

"The young and feckless, who are at low risk of dying if they contract COVID, need to live their lives. Their parents need to take precautions to avoid sharing it with their ageing parents, so should SD. The ageing parents have to decide on their bubbles. If everyone were to follow sensible rules, we would achieve herd immunity quite quickly"

1. I am 45, so not old. But how do you suppose I shield myself from my kid?

1. HERD IMMUNITY HAS NEVER BEEN ACHIEVED IN HUMAN HISTORY IN A NATURAL WAY!!!

"Herd immunity can only be reached by widespread vaccination" - Prof Willem van Schaik, Professor of Microbiology and Infection, University of Birmingham (just one example of millions)

From a communication/narrative perspective this was a great move to introduce this concept early on as a distraction/something to fall back to. Those who put it out there know it's not true, but they don't care.

1. Herd immunity only works if there can be no reinfection. With Covid it is still an open question how long immunity after infection is achieved. Best guesses suggest 4 months. This means that in a rolling way 80-90% of the population has to be infected over and over again. Pls do the math in terms of deaths, hospitalization and long term patient numbers.

[quote Derbygerbil]@OLGADEEPOLGA

Yes, some people are doom-mongers who thrive on crises....

But the people who seem most desperate for a second wave are those who are so desperate to convince everyone that it’s all over and that everything should get back completely to normal. They seem to determined to bring it on and for us to battle our way through, ‘bravely’ pushing through and disregarding the collateral damage as those more vulnerable than them suffer and, many of them, die...

They are like a friend on a night out who keeps on urging you on to drink more and more, saying “just another glass/shot/bottle etc. You’ll be fine.”.... You always regret allowing the friend to convince you in the morning when you’re anything but fine puking into the toilet pan.[/quote]
Some of you act like you've only realized death exists prior to March. It's amazing

@OLGADEEPOLGA

Reading some of the replies to this it's honestly as if some people will be genuinely upset and disappointed if there isn't a second wave. I have lost count of the number of times I've heard 'the deaths will come in a few weeks', 'the hospitals will be inundated in a few weeks', 'the second wave will be here before we know it' etc. etc.

Not disappointed.

What an idiotic thing to say.

But considering the hospitals have been put on amber alert from October I'll be cautious and watching.

@Mrschickpeabody - they’re quarantining people from Portugal because cases are 20 per 100,000. It’s crazy 0.02%. You’d think it was ripping through the island killing everyone

Portugal isn't an island...

Some of you act like you've only realized death exists prior to March. It's amazing

Not even sure where to start with this.
Ever heard of the concept of excess deaths?
And the phenomenon of logarithmic growth?

Sometimes it's as if we are back to February/March when people hadn't seen the effect of uncontrolled spread of covid.
What is your excuse now?

@Lweji

Some of you act like you've only realized death exists prior to March. It's amazing

Not even sure where to start with this.
Ever heard of the concept of excess deaths?
And the phenomenon of logarithmic growth?

Sometimes it's as if we are back to February/March when people hadn't seen the effect of uncontrolled spread of covid.
What is your excuse now?

I question general education and schooling. It seems that majority of people don't get these basic ideas of logarithmic growth, exponential growth, rates, prevalence, how masks work, how viruses work... And every nations spends fortunes on education it's populus just to end up with people who vote Boris/Brexit and are covidiots. go figure....

@DameFanny, three years post transplant (which has ultimately been completely successful) plus open heart surgery, my friend who was predicted a lifespan of about 50 is still with us, at 66. Understandably she follows the medical instruction she receives. But a child could have the same surgery and would no longer be diabetic. or need to take more than the care that you and I do. That, surely is transforming a whole life. For very good reasons, such procedures are tried out on people like my chum, who are out of other options and who are otherwise not going to live much longer.

@Alex50 ‘Covid lungs long term 18+weeks’ an example of a thread on here...thousands of ‘Healthy’ people still not right at all.

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Some of you act like you've only realized death exists prior to March. It's amazing

I’m not especially concerned by Covid on a personal basis - I’m 44, fit and healthy. But I appreciate had we carried on regardless in March as though it was just a little flu, it’s highly likely we’d have had a catastrophe. I’m no big fan of lockdown... If we could have done it more like Sweden, that would have been ok by me as we need to strike a balance, but dismissing anyone who thinks Covid required more of a response than just a shrug of the shoulders as “not realising death existed prior to March” is either plain idiotic or in deep denial.

It seems some people can’t get it into their heads that life is not black and white; and with pathetically poor critical thinking skills, believe you must either believe Covid is a fuss about nothing, or you are part of a sheeple herd who gladly want to be locked down for years!

She's still immuno-compromised but much better able to resist infection than she was.

But what is the data what percentage is it, what age is it effecting? There is no data to tell us anything. The only true data we have is deaths. I’m afraid mumsnet is not fact, anyone can put anything on here, i’m not saying it’s not true but there is no factual data to back it up, unless someone can add a link?

news.umiamihealth.org/en/what-are-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19/

Yes and from that link it says

For many who contract the novel coronavirus, the manifestations of the disease tend to the mild and moderate, with improvement in a couple of weeks.

It doesn’t answer what percentage are effected? What age? How many had mild symptoms? There’s no data?