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Anyone not sending there kids back to school

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Kmx123 · 29/08/2020 12:32

Majority of posts i have seen are kids have to go back to school now Ect
But
Is there anyone keeping there kids off school for longer and what are your reasons its not a judgemental thread
I think every parent has the same worries risk to them/grandparents/teachers numbers going up
A friend has told me there keeping theres off until Christmas and if they need to deregistering and said there kids have thrived being at home they are both working from home also and have 3 kids
Is anyone planning on keeping them off for a few weeks to see how it goes
Or are most people against these ideas
I have a 4 year old starting reception going in to a large school with 800 pupils in london a few people have said to me to defer him he is a summer born so is not 5 until the end of next july i am in two minds of what to do is anyone in a similar situation what have they decided

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Alex50 · 30/08/2020 19:00

No i’m genuinely not, i’m asking in case my circumstances change, my daughter is going to school but anyone of us could suddenly find out we have an illness where this would not be a good idea. Not only that but isn’t it a good idea to share knowledge, not just for me but for any parent who maybe thinking not sending their child for whatever reason. I thought mumsnet was a place to help other parents, I was obviously wrong, I won’t ask anymore questions.

Shitfuckoh · 30/08/2020 19:06

@Alex50
I apologise if I was wrong.
You're right, it is usually a place to help other parents but you only need to glance at some replies to see that isn't always the case.

sailingfree · 30/08/2020 19:30

@MyName007

Sorry, but your thread heading should be enough reason to send your children to school.
You are rude
SeaToSki · 30/08/2020 19:53

Sorry for a long post, but this was posted on an American website about how to manage the upcoming school year in light of the Covid clusterf**. I really thought it made some good points, so I'm pasting it here in case anyone else finds it helpful

July 27, 2020

SCHOOL DURING PANDEMIC & THE PSYCHOLOGICAL WELLNESS OF OUR KIDS

My son had a lacrosse tournament this weekend. He played. My husband, daughter and I went to cheer him on. In the midst of this train wreck of a year, I recognize that there are varying degrees of applaud and disapproval about that decision. To quote Mumford and Sons, spare me your judgement. I don’t care whether you think I made a right or wrong decision to allow my son to play or for the rest of us to attend. That’s not the point of this post. The point is more about a question that I was asked by a group of parents and the answer that I’ve been reflecting on since that moment.

Most of the families on our lacrosse team are in the same school district, here in the south-Denver area of Colorado. Our school board had a grueling 9-hour long meeting yesterday to make the final decision about how to handle the fall semester of the school year, which is scheduled to start in mid-August, 3 weeks from now. Most of the moms know that I’m a mental health clinician. I’m a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) and practice as a psychotherapist, working with teens and adults in my private practice. I had not yet heard the news of which learning model the board had decided on when a handful of other moms approached me. But I could tell, based on the felt tension and background chatter throughout the day, that the school board decision was not the one these particular moms had hoped for. Our school district is a big one. The unanimous board choice to provide a hybrid education model for the fall semester is going to affect more than 60,000 students and their families. These moms had been hoping for a full-time return to the classrooms for their children. Their question to me,

“Sara, you are a mental health professional, what do you think about the psychological consequences to our children because of all this?”

I was caught up in the excitement of our team just winning a braveheart face-off to break our final game’s tie ball game, so I wasn’t exactly in the proper headspace to field this question. Luckily, I’ve thought about this topic a great deal since our schools moved to full-time remote learning mid-way through the spring semester last March. I told them,

“There is no clean answer to that question. This decision affects different children in different ways.”

That is a true statement. And it’s the best I had available off-the-rip when I was caught off guard with the question.

Since that moment, I’ve reflected on the question and my own deeper thoughts about the answer. Here’s the reality. Are there negative psychological byproducts of a continued breakage of our children’s normal full-time school schedules? Yes. Absolutely. Anyone who tells you different is full of shit.

Children thrive with some degree of routine and structure. It makes them feel safe. When kids feel safe, they are significantly more likely to grow and evolve. We are hard-wired to do life in connection and collaboration with other humans. This is as true for children as it is for adults, and it does certainly apply to the way we develop during adolescence. The consequences of missing out on Monday through Friday community in their learning environment are relevant on biological, psychological, neurological, social, emotional and educational levels. This is especially true of children who are old enough and have been in school long enough to be accustomed to what a traditional full-time in-person school schedule looks and feels like. Learning in a group environment is a legitimate contributor to the kids’ education. Recess, close seating during shared meal times, PE, singing in choir, school sports, theater, and extracurricular clubs are all such incredible opportunities for our children to engage in psycho/social/emotional development. With altered education dynamics and schedules due to COVID-19, most of these things are going by the wayside until at least 2021. And good grief, really most of the families here in our school district are worried about layers and levels of lessened-okayness that are luxuries compared to the consequences to the kids in marginalized communities and low-income families. The brokenness in our school systems and exponential risk of growing dissonance because of increasing privatized education is a much greater detriment to the basic okayness levels for many other people. All to say, yes, this funky school stuff sucks, no matter how you dice it.

When I told these moms that there is no clean answer, that could not be more true on a grand scale these days. The harsh reality, whether you like it or not, is that you don’t have the answers. The probability that your perceptions are holistically accurate is zero. I don’t care whether we are talking about the genesis of Coronavirus, the approach to immunity, the accuracy of the statistics, masks or no masks, the suspicions of conspiracy and corruption, vaccinate or don’t, or the way we handle education… NONE OF US have it figured out. Whatever certainty you think you’ve nailed down, I encourage you to ease your grip. For every highly educated expert you put your trust in, there is an equally highly educated expert that will disagree and come to the table with an equally “reliable” set of data. For every perspective that supposedly gets debunked, there is an equally as “dependable” demystification to argue otherwise. For those of you with an addiction to your own certainty, it’s time to deflate your balloon.

So, if believing we’ve figured out what’s accurate isn’t reliable, what’s a better answer? I suggest getting more comfortable with feeling uncertain and being able to authentically say “I don’t know.”

And for those of us with concerns for our children, where the hell does that leave us?! I shall tell you. And for the love of this whole generation of kiddos living through the global trauma of COVID-19, I implore you to take this to heart.

YOU have more influence on the resilience, confidence and assuredness of your children’s psychological wellness during this time than any school board decision ever will. This moment in time will, with 100% assurance, result in negative consequences for this generation of children. It won’t be simple either. It will be a complex, multifaceted, compounded spiderweb of unfortunate aftermath. There’s no way around it. (I, for one, will be waiting on pins and needles to see what the Freakonomics guys find when they research this thing over the next 10-20 years.) Because a certain level of fallout is inevitable, it is mission-critical to our children’s okayness that we microcosmically control what we can control while fully accepting and embracing our ultimate macrocosmic lack of control. Here’s where YOU come in…

The number one most determining factor of your child’s 2020 experience is YOUR ability to manage your OWN discomfort. Mirror neurons are real and even children who haven’t yet learned to understand or speak language will pick up on the quantum vibrational frequencies of distress that you emit. Your children hear you talk, even when you aren’t talking to them. They hear you complain. They hear you vent. They watch your facial expressions when you are on a phone call or responding to an email or social media post on your computer. They can feel whether you are relaxed or whether you are in a state of stress when you wake them up in the morning, sit down for a family meal, or tuck them into bed at night. They see how you interact with (or avoid) people who you disagree with. Whether you like it or are aware of it or not, they will feel what you feel. There were adolescent siblings of players sitting on the sidelines at the lacrosse games this weekend, including my 12-year old daughter. The joy of the tournament excitement and the beautiful late-summer sunshine backdropped by the front range of the Rocky Mountains looming over the lacrosse fields was, unfortunately, narrated with undercurrent static of parents’ cynical conversations about how such-and-such is “ridiculous” and how so-and-so is “just wrong” or “an idiot”. Every time these kids hear the word COVID throughout the rest of their lives, they will feel the effects of subconscious trauma. That’s already bad enough. If we aren’t mindful and incredibly thoughtful of how we deal with our own distress, our reactions to these difficult times will cause them a second layer of trauma that is completely unnecessary.

Now, hear me out. I am absolutely NOT saying you don’t have a right to your feelings. Every emotion under the sun is appropriate, warranted and fair. There is no right or wrong to emotions, no matter what they are. You also have a right to your opinions (with a continued hope that we all hold space for the reality that we will be wrong about some of this… myself included.) Our reactions (how we think, speak and behave) that result from those emotions and opinions, however, have all the power in the world to bless or burden other people, including our own kids. Their thought patterns are reflective of our thought patterns. If a parent’s thoughts are generally negative or scarcity-based during this time, our children will feel that and will develop similar negative and scarcity-based thinking patterns. If our limbic system is in a state of distress (hyperarousal or hypoarousal) instead of a calm and fluid idle state, our children’s own somatic experiences will be the same. If you struggle with being still and calming yourself down, or if you struggle with being positive in light of a really difficult moment in time and massive challenges, then your children will also struggle. If you are able to thoughtfully respond to the adversity with graceful fluidity, then your kids will implicitly know that. They will feel that. They will learn from that. And they will grow up mirroring that.

Life is not fair. It will not always go their way, no matter how strongly they believe it should. We are doing these kids a major disservice if we show them what it looks like to cement ourselves into a static place when it comes to our own beliefs and behaviors. Instead of teaching them to resist and fight every last unfortunate turn of events, perhaps we start to curate a generation of young humans who learns to stand up for what they believe in while also feeling confident in their ability to roll with the punches. Perhaps we teach them the value of true non-agenda’d curiosity over certainty. Maybe we start to educate them on hope in combination with non-attachment and titrate out this addiction to certainty that their opinions are the only ones that are right. 2020 is a brilliant universal reminder that there are multiple (and often very polarized) versions of what is “right” and that it varies from person to person. For you, sending your children back to school might be the thing you want most in the world right now. For the family next door, remote learning or a hybrid version of school may tend to their family’s needs in exactly the perfect way. The school board was going to piss a whole lotta folks off, no matter what they decided.

If there is one thing I know for sure (in a world where almost nothing is certain), it is that we can be alright. COVID and quarantine and masks and messed up school year and everything. We, ourselves, can be more like bamboo… deeply rooted and sturdy, while bendy and able to move and flow in the wind and water when the storms come. Bamboo isn’t mad at the storm. It doesn’t judge the wind for the direction that it decides to blow. It doesn’t talk shit on the waves for the force at which they crash into it. It relies on its deep roots and flexibility until a day when the storm calms and it can once again, with all the scratches and scars from the volatile weather, reach up for the sunshine and continue living.

Be gentle with yourselves. It doesn’t feel good (and it’s really not good for your health and wellness) to be in a static state of tension or worry or anger or resentment. Be gentle with each other. Say lots of “I respect you”s and “I care for you”s, and mean it… especially to those who you disagree with. Have a divine amount of grace for people who hurt or frustrate you and remember… if you can’t respond from a place of love, calm, grace and patience, the issue is not the person or group of people who upset you… the issue is that you have not yet learned to mindfully manage your reactivity. That’s your problem to tend to, not theirs. Once we learn that, we will be able to show and teach our children to be resilient, calm, strong, thoughtful, kind and compassionate. THAT is what will benefit your kid’s psychological wellness the very very most.

I hope this feels helpful to someone.

Sara Waters MA, LPC

Decentsalnotime · 30/08/2020 20:03

My children completely and utterly unbothered by Covid.

Both went to school last term in bubbles and the school is superb so it was very similar to normal. They loved.

Both excited. I’m excited for them.

When I read about children anxious and panicking - I feel dreadful for them. I told them about social distancing, which we respected, but we went out every day without fail and as soon as eased - we made the most of it.

I would honestly feel I had.... failed them if they were in a state about Covid

My role as a parent of two children until 10 is to absorb stress. Time enough for that

Delay return - increase their anxiety. I feel for them.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/08/2020 20:13

@Alex50

Yep my daughter will be going back, we can’t wait especially after reading a recent report how little the virus effects children
If you're so sincere, why did you post this yesterday?

So very confusing.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/08/2020 20:14

[quote Alex50]@RandomTree I don’t know anyone either who’s not sending their children back, it’s only on mumsnet where I see this extreme view.[/quote]
Or this?

You've been rumbled.

Feeling embarrassed?

latticechaos · 30/08/2020 20:17

My children are not anxious about covid, not that I can see. I just don't think secondary with social distancing is the right thing to do. But we go out and about quite happily. And I'm happy at work.

I read something about how people are being talked about as 'comfortable' (they're the good people) versus 'anxious' etc.

danadas · 30/08/2020 20:31

My children are going back (Y11 and Y3) but I would happily keep them home again if things change significantly, not so much for the risk to them which appears to be very low but to me.

My youngest has been a different child at home, relaxed and content, you dont realise how much school can negatively impact some children until they are out the environment. In an ideal world I would HE him completely.

Oldbagface · 30/08/2020 20:34

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch I genuinely thought I was helping. Feel like a bit of a dick now. I've been had Confused They only get away with it once though.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/08/2020 20:38

@oldbagface it's shit isn't it. Thanks

This one's not very good though. Tone all off & changing persona halfway though a thread.

Amateur. Grin

Oldbagface · 30/08/2020 20:38

Oh shit. Missed a full stop. I'm just acknowledging that error before I am accused of being illiterate by the poster that has never made a mistake posting in a hurry or fallen foul to autocorrect.

You know, the special one Wink

Shitfuckoh · 30/08/2020 20:46

Haha I was typing & trying to stop my youngest climbing everything earlier, that I realised after I'd clicked post that I'd made a couple of spelling mistakes, including missing the R off 'teachers'. I was expecting it to be pointed out by the special one but I was let down badly spared.

HairyToity · 30/08/2020 20:50

We're in a rural area with low numbers of Covid. DH has type 1 diabetes and works from home. If numbers start to increase he will move in with his parents. We would have him self isolating in our house but don't have a spare room or separate bathroom. DH's parents only live 5 minutes away. We will chat in the garden with DH.

It must sound daft to be thinking about separating from DH, but we'd both rather he didn't have it. Although he would hopefully survive we don't know what the long term damage would be. We also both consider kids getting an education comes first. I expect DH might enjoy peace and quiet of staying with his parents.

Oldbagface · 30/08/2020 20:52

@Shitfuckoh Grin Exactly. It's easily done when having a quick type on the phone whilst dealing with other things. I think it's called being human. I think sometimes humans don't carry out every single minute task with 100 percent accuracy 100 percent of the time. Unless they're perfectly perfect in every way of course Wink

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/08/2020 20:54

There are several perfect posters on this thread: it's inspiring.

Especially the one who thinks that anyone whose children are worried about Covid has failed them. What an example to us all.

Shitfuckoh · 30/08/2020 21:05

@Oldbagface
Grin I bet they didn't miss a single day of education (in school, because someone on MN said there's no other way for children to be educated!) to achieve that perfect perfection either!

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch
My then 5 year old was worried about putting rubbish in a bin one of our walks during lockdown. Not due to anything I'd told him, because school had tried to explain back in March what children can & can not do to protect the old people - Yes... They'd been told only old people get it!

Oldbagface · 30/08/2020 21:12

Yes @MilesJuppIsMyBitch. I agree. I think some people who are unlikely to be very ill or worse are very dismissive of the impact this virus potentially has.

I remember before lockdown seeing a meme of a poorly child. It said something like "covid only kills some people, but what if that one person was your everything."

There seems to be an acceptance that it's survival of the fittest. Well fine. Fuck you very much (not you) but if that's how they feel then don't fucking lecture us on our choices.

Sorry for the rant.

As my nana used to say, they get on my tits.

Vinoonasunnyday · 30/08/2020 21:14

Miles

Alex post was fine I think you misinterpreted it as sarcasm

It didn’t seem that way to me

She said she was happy her kids were going back esp after reading how it affects kids

All data yesterday said it didn’t affect kids

So makes sense to me

Vinoonasunnyday · 30/08/2020 21:16

To be fair there are people on here who clearly have anxiety issues and have potential to cause emotional problems/anxiety in their kids

Many examples!

No ability to behave rationally

Oldbagface · 30/08/2020 21:25

@Vinoonasunnyday ODFOD. You know absolutely fuck all about anyone here. Go and find another thread to spill your bile on.

WE are supporting eachother here.

Anxiety my arse.

See how anxious children are when vulnerable parents/teachers are in ICU.

Many of us here have Sen kids that have thrived while not attending a school setting.

Jeez. They're all out today Smile

Shitfuckoh · 30/08/2020 21:26

@Vinoonasunnyday

To be fair there are people on here who clearly have anxiety issues and have potential to cause emotional problems/anxiety in their kids

Many examples!

No ability to behave rationally

Show us 3.
sailingfree · 30/08/2020 21:32

@Vinoonasunnyday to be fair there are people on her who should not be so bothered about what others are doing with their kids. You are one of them.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 30/08/2020 21:37

@Vinoonasunnyday

Miles

Alex post was fine I think you misinterpreted it as sarcasm

It didn’t seem that way to me

She said she was happy her kids were going back esp after reading how it affects kids

All data yesterday said it didn’t affect kids

So makes sense to me

Bollocks
WouldBeGood · 30/08/2020 21:38

@MyName007

Sorry, but your thread heading should be enough reason to send your children to school.
Yep
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