Anyone not sending there kids back to school

[Kmx123]

Majority of posts i have seen are kids have to go back to school now Ect
But
Is there anyone keeping there kids off school for longer and what are your reasons its not a judgemental thread
I think every parent has the same worries risk to them/grandparents/teachers numbers going up
A friend has told me there keeping theres off until Christmas and if they need to deregistering and said there kids have thrived being at home they are both working from home also and have 3 kids
Is anyone planning on keeping them off for a few weeks to see how it goes
Or are most people against these ideas
I have a 4 year old starting reception going in to a large school with 800 pupils in london a few people have said to me to defer him he is a summer born so is not 5 until the end of next july i am in two minds of what to do is anyone in a similar situation what have they decided

@windyone

My daughters have less than a year between them in age and play together. They have each other and will see other friends / children at out door clubs that they attend. The children they have mostly played with up until this age is a small number of friends but have a large number of cousins all though we haven't been mixing due to all of this going on.

@Shakirasma

The school I work at went back this week, as did every single pupil and new reception starter.

If a parent wants to keep their child off school then the government has decided that as per normal, you will be fined and eventually you would find yourself in court with the penalties and social services intervention that goes along with that, for failing to ensure your child receives their proper education.

You are of course entitled to home educate your child but you need to deregister them from school. Then there is a huge risk that you cant get them back into your chosen school should you wish to when the pandemic is over.

Young reception children can have their start deferred, but do not underestimate the toll it takes on a child to join after friendship groups have already begun developing strong bonds and learning progress has been made.

What route parents choose take is up to them, but there is no easy option without health, emotional or educational risks unfortunately.

Oh give over, the whole government approach is crumbling. A U turn last night. You couldn’t make it up, except we could all see it coming.

They don’t want to pay for people to have choice (offer a choice and people might argue you have to offer provision? 💰) but there will be another u turn.

Maybe because they realise it’s the right thing to do (😂), maybe because they can’t fathom out who really has a cough, maybe when it’s too late to have to fund ict for those that don’t have sufficient provision at home, or maybe when they don’t have space for many more in hospital. I hate typing that but they are ruthless.

It’s low numbers atm (on average) so I can understand why people might tentatively go and keep an eye on things.

But please don’t try to dismiss the concerns of people debating the decision.

The whole thing is a joke. People just need to follow their gut.

P.S. If anyone feels that they need to just deregister - make sure that you include that you feel under duress and don’t want to deregister but have no real choice in your letter. It amounts to unrolling in the current circumstances which is frowned upon by ofsted.

If you’re happy with schools, don’t waste your time here, go and be happy about it and sew those labels in! Soak up the feeling. I certainly wish I could feel like this crap isn’t happening.

@sunseekin I love reading your posts

Thank you @sunseekin. Such a welcome, well written post.

Ah thank you 💐 @Oldbagface @MilesJuppIsMyBitch Feels like people know where my rant switch is 😂

Things will get better. It is crumbling, keep smiling, common sense will prevail.

I feel like I have no choice but to send my 2 eldest. My youngest is supposed to start a school based nursery this Sept and I'm still really unsure about sending him. My gut just tells me no, to keep him at home for now.

Will your older ones sd at home?

My final decision was based on the idea that my DC would have to sd at home and not have a normal family life. No hugs, no snuggling and watching TV.

Sod that.
The whole thing is shit @Shitfuckoh

@Oldbagface I think we're classed as 'low risk' although I do have diabetes.
My concern is my eldest has ASD with complex needs. Whilst he's not medically vulnerable, he is emotionally & socially. Changes to his routine are a very big deal. His understanding is also delayed. So him having to isolate for any reason or if his school/class have to stay home, would cause issues once he's back in to the routine of school.

The latest guidance states that special schools are excluded even from tier 4, there's no way he would understand why it's not safe for his sibling to go to school but it is for him.

Sending my youngest to nursery when I don't need to at the moment, increases our chance of having to isolate / test - testing is something I'm dreading with my eldest.

So I guess it's not so much covid that worries me, it's the impact of it - if that makes sense? I do realise that my decision is easier than some & I do really feel for those who are medically vulnerable and haven't been given any choice in the matter.

Personally I don’t have any problem with sending them. We’re in Scotland and haven’t seen any increase in children with positive tests since schools went back over two weeks ago.

On the other hand I wouldn’t be sending a summer born 4yo to school as I think it’s too young. I would look to see if the council allows you to defer and start reception next year. If not, see if you can get a funded nursery place until your dc legally has to start school.

My DC has Sen too @Shitfuckoh. I won't allow DC to have their head messed with by these in out changes on a weekly basis BS.

My anger isn't directed at you of course.

We seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

Peajotter, there have been 88 new cases in the last 24 hours according to the BBC. Thirty eight people in a school in Dundee, more than 20 of them teachers have been diagnosed with Covid. I don’t want to worry you, but it’s not true that there’s not been a rise in cases, sadly.

@Oldbagface
I'm going to see how it goes but I've made it clear that I won't hesitate to pull them out if I believe it's having a negative impact on them or if I think the numbers are rising too much. It's a shitshow.

We are coming at it from the same angle & I totally understand.

We will be tentatively sending our DCs back, but if things look bad... We will rethink our plans.
If I was a SAHM, I would seriously consider homeschooling (I have the skills, it's the time I'm lacking)

@duffeldaisy

Peajotter, there have been 88 new cases in the last 24 hours according to the BBC. Thirty eight people in a school in Dundee, more than 20 of them teachers have been diagnosed with Covid. I don’t want to worry you, but it’s not true that there’s not been a rise in cases, sadly.

The Dundee one hasn't been updated since Friday night either. The cases regarding that 1 school (special school provision) have been rising since the news broke earlier in the week. It was originally 1 pupil but was up to 3 pupils as of last night. Even community cases linked to the outbreak was quite high for 1 school.

Strangely though, despite the rise in cases the BBC state it's still believed not to be a case of spread in schools

@duffeldaisy do you have a link for that please? I was referring to the info from two days ago
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53934149

I knew kingspark additional-needs school had lots of teachers diagnosed but most of these were 2 weeks ago before the students were all back, and the school has been closed since then. Have there been more cases at Dundee schools in the last few days? Thanks!

@Shitfuckoh pls could you expand on what you mean by the 'tier4' ?

[quote LupinsNotLilys]@Shitfuckoh pls could you expand on what you mean by the 'tier4' ?[/quote]
@LupinsNotLilys

It was part of the latest DfE guidance released. Tiers regarding trying to keep schools etc open during any local lockdowns.

I think the first 3 are all regarding Secondary schools.
Tier 4 is all to close apart from for key workers / vulnerable children, AP & special schools.

@peajotter Sorry, I thought that Dundee outbreak was in the first week of schools opening in Scotland- no, as far as I’ve read, there haven’t been any more cases since there. Sorry, I didn’t mean to worry you!

The BBC article is a new one here:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-53958229

Also, while not probably a very good source and it’s wanting scary headlines, but the Scottish Sun said that there were a lot of children in quarantine (not that that means they have it of course) across schools.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5982379/coronavirus-scotland-school-self-isolating-covid-19-triple/

@LupinsNotLilys

I couldn't stomach looking through the guidance to find it again but schoolsweek have got it:

Tier 1
Schools will remain open to all pupils but with a requirement that face coverings be worn in corridors and other communal areas of secondary schools where social distancing cannot take place.

Tier 2
Primary, AP and special schools will remain open to all pupils, but secondary schools will move to a rota model, combining “on-site provision with remote education”.

Secondary schools will continue to allow full-time attendance for vulnerable pupils and the children of key workers, with all other pupils subject to a rota. Further education providers should adopt “similar principles with discretion to decide on a model that limits numbers on site but works for each individual setting”.

The face coverings requirement will also be in place in secondary schools and colleges.

Tier 3
Primary, AP and special schools will remain open to all pupils, but secondary schools and FE colleges will allow full-time on-site provision only to vulnerable pupils, the children of critical workers and selected year groups which will be identified by the DfE.

All other pupils will stay at home and be provided with remote education.

The face coverings requirement will also be in place in secondary schools and colleges.

All mainstream schools and colleges will only allow full-time attendance to vulnerable pupils and the children of key workers, with all other pupils staying home and receiving remote education.

AP and special schools will continue to allow full-time attendance of all pupils.

The face coverings requirement will also be in place in secondary schools and colleges.

[quote peajotter]@duffeldaisy do you have a link for that please? I was referring to the info from two days ago
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53934149

I knew kingspark additional-needs school had lots of teachers diagnosed but most of these were 2 weeks ago before the students were all back, and the school has been closed since then. Have there been more cases at Dundee schools in the last few days? Thanks![/quote]
I didn't realise the school hadn't actually opened - that's not what the BBC said? I noticed the cases linked to it have been rising since it appeared on the bbc website at the beginning of this week.

@Shitfuckoh sorry, should have been clearer. The school was open for a week, but they think most of the transmission happened between staff, probably before the students were all back (many schools had staggered starts, not sure about kingspark). The cases are still rising because of household transmission but there are still only 3 pupils compared to 22 staff.

I think this is quite positive because I know social distancing is tricky in these schools, especially with the primary age, and yet very few kids have come down with it compared to the teachers.

This is the only case so far of transmission within the school environment. There have been recent clusters in factories and offices, and kids in their households, hence the rising numbers, but none in schools yet.

The full list of cases in schools is here www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53833823
It looks long but bear in mind there are over 5000 schools in scotland.

I also worry about the impact of stop-start on my sn dc. But so far it is looking positive, only a few classes isolating over the whole country. His additional needs provision has been excellent so far.

@peajotter
Ah right, that makes sense then!
Considering how many schools are open then yes, the numbers do still appear to be low.
I'd be interested to find out (but suspect that information won't be available due to privacy) whether the community transmissions regarding the Kingspark school are from contacts of the teachers or from family members of pupils etc - especially as it seems very strange they've told all family members to self isolate if they can't distance (distancing would be impossible with my dc and I wouldn't even attempt it!)

It just came as a shock as I thought Scotlands cases were so low but then to see 1 school have such high numbers surrounding it - just kind of made me realise a lot more how likely it is to be stopping & starting this term, especially as we're in England where cases are higher than Scotlands.

Those not sending kids back - will you al be staying at home for the foreseeable future because you know there is just as much risk going to Sainsbury's / going to work / etc then at school?

Are you planning on keeping kids at home? Do you think that is good for your child's mental health!

Unless you have genuine health concerns your prob a bit bonkers, why not send hen and see how it goes?

How dare you accuse grown adults making a rational choice as bonkers.

We all have different circumstances.

Name calling is pretty pathetic.

You know nothing about our personal situations.

Not even going to answer your questions because you are rude as fuck.

@Remmy123

Those not sending kids back - will you al be staying at home for the foreseeable future because you know there is just as much risk going to Sainsbury's / going to work / etc then at school?

Are you planning on keeping kids at home? Do you think that is good for your child's mental health!

Unless you have genuine health concerns your prob a bit bonkers, why not send hen and see how it goes?

I've got cancer & recently had sepsis.

Hope this helps you to judge me less harshly (because I really, really care what you think).