People not quarantining!

[PoppyRae]

Just a bit of a rant. My neighbours got back from France on Friday. The husband went back to work this morning. Their son is riding his bike outside as I’m typing this. My son’s friend knocked on our door to play this morning, he just got back from France with his family yesterday. Makes me so mad! We cancelled our holiday this year because we couldn’t afford to quarantine (DH is self employed) Are most people not following the rules or am I just surrounded by idiots?!

@piscis

They should do more checks. I am not sure if they are doing any checks at all on people quarantining, to be honest. I don't think they are. We are quarantining at the moment, so are our neighbours. We haven't left the house and I haven't seen my neighbours do anything they shouldn't be doing. I cannot believe people are so stupid as to not follow the rules, more so when their neighbours know they have been to France. And going to work...wow!!

They don't have the manpower.

@Tonkerbea

Covid has definitely shone a light on morality. I think there's quite a few selfish people out there, it's just not quite so obvious in normal times. You only have to think about how many CFer threads there are!

It's shown me never to speak to your neighbours at all above hello and goodbye as so many appear to be curtain-twitching Stasi wannabes.

Maybe they're using their common sense. That's what the government told us to do when it got them off the hook. Does that not apply now it doesn't suit their messaging?

Most areas in France, Spain etc are still as low or lower risk than the UK. The government are actively encouraging people to holiday and eat out in the UK, at the same time as applying arbitrary rules for those coming from overseas. It's nonsensical.

(I'm following the rules, but I'm certainly not going to be spying on my neighbours and reporting people who are not. That's the start of a very slippery slope.)

It's shown me never to speak to your neighbours at all above hello and goodbye as so many appear to be curtain-twitching Stasi wannabes.

Absolutely. We had a curtain twitcher around here in the true sense of the word during the lockdown. You would actually see her blinds twitch when you walked past her house. I'm sure she had Excel fired up and had a sheet going for every house in the street recording their movements.

Sadly it became a game for us to walk past her house several times during the permitted daily constitutional, just to break the monotony and see the blind twitch each time.

Apart from our next door neighbours who are absolutely fine, I'd not trust any sod around here.

The only person I know who went on holiday (to Spain) appears to have followed the rules when she got back. I imagine most are.

I don't see what harm riding a bike around outside your house causes unless you are on a busy road with lots of passers-by. But where we live it would be no different to staying in the garden, there is nobody around.

I also think 2 weeks quarantine is silly. Do a test and make it 7 days (which I think is now being considered, and not before time).

Sadly it became a game for us to walk past her house several times during the permitted daily constitutional, just to break the monotony and see the blind twitch each time

Ha ha I would have played this game too!

Unfortunately there are many selfish people in the world. I can bet my house that they will be first in the queue if they needed hospital.

I personally have no issue if people live their lives, it's when they put others in danger that pisses me off.

Go off on holiday, have your parties and bbqs but stay away from me and my kids. Most of these don't even wear masks. Then you have the ones who think it's all a big conspiracy. Sadly we've lost 5 people, 2 in hospital still, one got last rights via face time last night. Not one was elderly or underlying conditions. Makes me mad when people dismiss their deaths as a bit of flu, or they would die some day, and telling me sure life goes on. Very painful loosing so many people in such a short space, very sad watching from afar young children crying for their mother, sometimes I say to myself that I wish all these fuckers who say insensitive things to me got the virus and ended up on a ventilator, and I know that's so bad and I should be struck down for even thinking it, it's just not fair, like many we've lost so many close family and friends and then someone pipes up saying something ridiculous like that they nor their friends know anyone with it and the flu is worse and life goes on.

This country is full of absolute selfish, heartless wankers

@Lipz I am so sorry to hear that - my aunt died in early April and it was Covid related (although she was already very ill). I am very aware that it can strike down anyone - my DH is an intensive care doctor and treats the worst care; he was very shaken up when they had two previously fit and well 40 year old men admitted to ICU at the height back in April. One of them didn't make it 😢

I haven’t reported anyone. I just can’t bring myself to do it. I’ve decided to rather speak to them in person. I’m certainly not a curtain twitcher to those insinuating that I am! I probably should have added that the kid wasn’t riding his bike alone. He had other boys with him. The husband is in construction but definitely not the ‘essential’ kind that is exempt from the quarantine rule. More loft conversions and extensions in private homes.

"I don't understand why you wouldn't report your neighbours" - just wow. Its when I read comments like this that I realise what a society we have become. Horrific.

I know more people who’ve been on holiday than those who haven’t

Not a single one has isolated

They may not have gone to work due to their work knowing but they certainly haven’t stayed in and the kids defo haven’t

People aren’t even hiding it

I don’t worry about the virus enough to report

[quote TheWayOfTheWorld]@Lipz I am so sorry to hear that - my aunt died in early April and it was Covid related (although she was already very ill). I am very aware that it can strike down anyone - my DH is an intensive care doctor and treats the worst care; he was very shaken up when they had two previously fit and well 40 year old men admitted to ICU at the height back in April. One of them didn't make it 😢[/quote]
I'm so sorry for your loss.

Your dh is doing an amazing job. While I haven't actually stood inside the hospital while my family and friends were dying, the doctors and nurses were so amazing. It was no problem holding phone and ipads up so we could see and speak, the nurses did the speaking, they were smiling, cheery and so positive. I can only imagine how difficult it is mentally for doctors and nurses seeing so much death and not knowing whether someone will make it or not.

@Kitcat122

Depends on his job. Some jobs are exempt from quarantine.

Sort of ....the various exemptions that apply to some jobs often only apply if the individual arrives in the UK whilst working/as part of the work process.. If they come back into the UK having been on holiday they may only be partially exempt or even not exempt at all from some facets of the quarantine requirements.

TBH the construction worker referred to upthread might have an exemption, but he'd have to be in a fairly niche role.

There's a fairly comprehensive list here..

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules

Most areas in France, Spain etc are still as low or lower risk than the UK.

Spain not doing well at all on the second wave. Scroll down the page to Daily New Cases.

Neither is France.

It looks like at the moment the UK is doing better than both of them by a long way.

I'm abroad and we had a week in Northern France where the region turned from green to orange whilst we were there. I quarantined for 2 weeks as per guidelines. Did a trip to supermarket which was allowed but otherwise avoided friends and stayed home. Schools go back full time next week and I know lots of people holidaying in orange zones who have no intention of doing anything. I hAve the fear it will be like March again. Rules are quite strict here but neighbours are having parties. Numbers thankfully seem to be stabilising again and they want to get to only 100 new cases a day by next week. Currently 400 so I can't see this being possible

@Sunnydazey

Why is everyone frothing over this and comparing to Taiwan and Hong Kong who have “virtually no deaths” the past 3 days our death toll has been below 10! That’s virtually no deaths in a country of 66 million! I just can’t get my head around why everyone is so afraid of a virus that kills less than ten people a day?

You can't get your head round it? Were you in a trance state during April & May? Do you have memory problems?

Do you perhaps work in a research lab and gave evidence the virus has somehow changed?

Data shows the virus has mutated several time and is less deadly

Plus it can be treated more easily

They made many mistakes earlier in year in treatments - many incessant deaths

Avoidable

@Vinoonasunnyday

Data shows the virus has mutated several time and is less deadly

Plus it can be treated more easily

They made many mistakes earlier in year in treatments - many incessant deaths

What data shows this? Please can you post a link to the article?

@Vinoonasunnyday

People aren’t even hiding it

I don’t worry about the virus enough to report

Why would they? They have no shame and care about nobody but themselves and who's going to stop them?

DH is currently in the ME with work (not on holiday). He needed to go right at the start of lockdown but obviously couldn’t. Now things are back up and running so to speak he really had to go, without going he would have no work and without no work we’d have no income.

He had a test before he went and had to prove it was negative before he got on the plane. He had another test on entry to the country and has then had another test 72 hours before his flight home tomorrow. He will then have another test here (at our expense) later this week. Yet he will still need to isolate. The last time I checked the country he went to only had 350 deaths, yet he will need to isolate coming back to the U.K. which in my opinion is crazy. He will need to go back again in a few weeks so we will need to do the whole process again (his job requires lots of international travel).

Heathrow is running a pilot program of testing folks as they return instead of quarantine.

The pilot programme still means 7 days isolation which is better but still an issue for most people

They are tested on arrival and again 5 days later and only after result can they be freed from isolation

It’s £150 each so a lot for a family