Is it inevitable that schools will see large outbreaks like meat processing plants have?

[Reastie]

Just that really. Logically in the situ and with current measures I can’t see how there won’t be large outbreaks in schools, especially in large secondary schools.

I don't understand why the kids don't have to social distance on school buses, but you have to on normal buses

Because.....magic! In the same way schools don’t spread viruses, school buses don’t either. The Government has had a strong word with corona and it knows it has to leave the schools alone. It will work because Boris said so.

@Enoughnowstop

I don't understand why the kids don't have to social distance on school buses, but you have to on normal buses

Because.....magic! In the same way schools don’t spread viruses, school buses don’t either. The Government has had a strong word with corona and it knows it has to leave the schools alone. It will work because Boris said so.

It's Covids moral duty

@BillywilliamV

Dont send your kids if you are that worried, deregister them and lock them up! Let the rest of us reimpose some structure on our DC and start to rebuild their lives please!

You do realise there is a world of circumstances between home schooling and the people who want things back to normal? My daughter is autistic, lockdown has been horrible for her and I fought like hell to get her into the SEN school she attends. If I deregister she would probably lose her place forever not to mention her EHCP and home schooling is absolutely not the right thing for her. None of those things mean Im not shit scared about sending her back.

Yes. It is inevitable

Social distancing won't be required in school buses because of the cost, and twice as many vehicles and would be required.

I haven't actually heard anything about DDs school bus. It's used by two schools and all year groups. I hope for the drivers sake they're required to wear masks.

I am sick of hearing about Sweden and schools. They purposefully did not look for outbreaks in schools and ignored evidence of it happening. They also had between 10 and 20 times the amount of deaths of neighbouring countries.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools#

In a review paper published 19 May in Acta Paediatrica, Ludvigsson concluded that children are “unlikely to be the main drivers” of COVID-19 spread. He cited case studies from France and Australia but wrote that, “So far there have been no reports of COVID-19 outbreaks in Swedish schools,” citing “personal communication” from Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, on 12 May. “This supports the argument that asymptomatic children attending schools are unlikely to spread the disease,” Ludvigsson wrote.

However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there. When asked about these cases, Ludvigsson said he was unaware of them. He did not respond to a query about whether he would amend the review article to include them.

www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/07/07/sweden-stayed-open-and-more-people-died-of-covid-19-but-the-real-reason-may-be-something-darker/#2e35735769bd

(It’s worth noting that the gap between Sweden and its neighboring countries has grown significantly since May 15, to between 10 and 20 times as many deaths per 100,000 population compared to Denmark, Finland and Norway.)

@Nellodee

I am sick of hearing about Sweden and schools. They purposefully did not look for outbreaks in schools and ignored evidence of it happening. They also had between 10 and 20 times the amount of deaths of neighbouring countries.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools#

In a review paper published 19 May in Acta Paediatrica, Ludvigsson concluded that children are “unlikely to be the main drivers” of COVID-19 spread. He cited case studies from France and Australia but wrote that, “So far there have been no reports of COVID-19 outbreaks in Swedish schools,” citing “personal communication” from Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, on 12 May. “This supports the argument that asymptomatic children attending schools are unlikely to spread the disease,” Ludvigsson wrote.

However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there. When asked about these cases, Ludvigsson said he was unaware of them. He did not respond to a query about whether he would amend the review article to include them.

www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/07/07/sweden-stayed-open-and-more-people-died-of-covid-19-but-the-real-reason-may-be-something-darker/#2e35735769bd

(It’s worth noting that the gap between Sweden and its neighboring countries has grown significantly since May 15, to between 10 and 20 times as many deaths per 100,000 population compared to Denmark, Finland and Norway.)

Yes me too. It's ridiculous to compare the UK to Sweden for so many reasons. One being population density, Sweden 25 per km squared, UK it's 275. England over 400. Apples and pears again.

And the argument to compare cities then with similar density of Stokholm and London shows just bad their approach was.

No masks required on DS's bus.

A classroom doesn't have the same cold and damp environment but it's a room full of people with no PPE or social distancing. There were outbreaks in UK schools when they were mostly empty. I don't see how there won't be large outbreaks.

Depends really. Do most schools eviscerate chickens in a factory line and inhale biological fluids?

Nope it’s not inevitable at all. The working conditions are very different.

I thought Covid came from bats and now humans, not chickens.

@Oly4

Nope it’s not inevitable at all. The working conditions are very different.

Yes they are.

Schools have no masks, no SD, and limited hand washing and ability to keep it up frequently.