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How will the economy cope with a second lockdown?

70 replies

Standiethmem · 21/08/2020 22:50

I really hope there isn't a second lockdown this winter, with the amount of jobs already lost, I can't bear to think about the economy will be with another.

STA Travel has announced today they have gone bust with around 500 jobs being lost.
I feel for all these people and what a scary time it is to be in the job hunt right now.

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islockdownoveryet · 22/08/2020 08:31

I'm in greater manchester , on my Facebook this morning they have put that they issue fines for people having people round . One had 7 people , 1 had 2 families in the garden for a birthday party . Me personally I think it's a waste of police time and money . God you can't get them out for a crime but if I invite my mum round I'd get a visit from the police .
And yes it was to help the nhs so now it's what to eliminate the virus completely?

latticechaos · 22/08/2020 08:40

And yes it was to help the nhs so now it's what to eliminate the virus completely?

This is a problem in England. Scotland, Wales and NI are aiming to drive cases low, eliminate if possible.

England has no aim, no plan, no leadership, nothing Angry

Bollss · 22/08/2020 08:42

How can Scotland and Wales eliminate if England don't? Were attached!

Personally I think elimination is a fucking ridiculous waste of time (looking at you NZ)

islockdownoveryet · 22/08/2020 08:45

I agree locking down to eliminate is ridiculous. It could take a year or 2 to eliminate completely.

latticechaos · 22/08/2020 08:47

@TrustTheGeneGenie

How can Scotland and Wales eliminate if England don't? Were attached!

Personally I think elimination is a fucking ridiculous waste of time (looking at you NZ)

My preference would be to drive cases as low as possible. The fact NZ have had a new outbreak doesn't change the fact they are doing way way better than if they'd taken the English approach.

The point is other countries have defined their plan. England is just drifting. We have no objectives, no plan and no leadership.

Failure to plan is planning to fail and all that.

They said 1000 cases a day was a threshold. Ignored. They said r rate >1 was a threshold. Ignored.

They are doing nothing because they don't know what to do.

latticechaos · 22/08/2020 08:47

@islockdownoveryet

I agree locking down to eliminate is ridiculous. It could take a year or 2 to eliminate completely.
No one suggesting this FFS.
Bollss · 22/08/2020 08:49

@latticechaos oh yeah I'd like a plan but I think elimination is an impossible goal. Maybe NZ are doing better but they're also planning on essentially imprisoning people to achieve that and I don't agree with that.

RaspberryRuff · 22/08/2020 09:00

I agree that looking to pursue elimination ie driving down cases as low as possible is the only sensible thing to try. Yes it might not work longer term but it buys time and has got to be better than no plan at all. Put it this way I’d rather have had the quality of life in NZ since this began than here.

Bollss · 22/08/2020 09:03

@RaspberryRuff

I agree that looking to pursue elimination ie driving down cases as low as possible is the only sensible thing to try. Yes it might not work longer term but it buys time and has got to be better than no plan at all. Put it this way I’d rather have had the quality of life in NZ since this began than here.
Well yeah, me too but I wouldn't like being at risk of being locked up against my will for two weeks to be honest.

The thing is if driving or down ruins your economy that has a knock on effect on the (barely functioning) health service doesn't it?

RaspberryRuff · 22/08/2020 09:07

That could happen here too though - Aberdeen for example and the food factory staff in Coupar Angus. The latter is a massive food factory which has had to close and all staff and their households self isolate, and has ongoing issues with animal welfare now. There’s no perfect solution sadly

Bollss · 22/08/2020 09:11

@RaspberryRuff

That could happen here too though - Aberdeen for example and the food factory staff in Coupar Angus. The latter is a massive food factory which has had to close and all staff and their households self isolate, and has ongoing issues with animal welfare now. There’s no perfect solution sadly
No, no perfect solution but Sweden is looking a lot more favourable to me right now.
latticechaos · 22/08/2020 10:41

[quote TrustTheGeneGenie]@latticechaos oh yeah I'd like a plan but I think elimination is an impossible goal. Maybe NZ are doing better but they're also planning on essentially imprisoning people to achieve that and I don't agree with that.[/quote]
I think that is a worthy debate to have. The trade offs must be explained. Ardern seems to be holding her ratings well enough.

I fear England in particular in the UK is drifting aimlessly.

Perhaps if the PM wasn't pretending to camp in Scotland he could get on with leading Angry.

annabel85 · 22/08/2020 10:43

What economy? It's already destroyed.

Remmy123 · 22/08/2020 11:05

There will not be a lock down because the economy won't cope/ people won't lockdown again.

With empty Covid wards I think I everyone needs to chill out a bit

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Cornettoninja · 22/08/2020 11:22

It’s possible there might be another national lockdown but very unlikely. Don’t forget the point of lockdown was to stop the health service getting overwhelmed if we reach the same levels as March then something has gone very badly wrong and every possible intervention has failed (I include local lockdowns/restrictions in this) and the economy will move back a place in the list of priorities again.

The government is being cautious and rightly so because we only have projections and estimates to work with. We have no idea what the exact numbers of infected or movement of the disease was in March and that’s our critical mass point. Numbers right now suggest we’re well within the boundaries of coping and coping well but only with SD, hygiene and other precautions. Hopefully these continue to be effective through the flu season. It’s still going to be hard going for most of us but as long as the NHS is largely functioning we won’t go into national lockdown.

islockdownoveryet · 22/08/2020 11:39

No one suggesting this FFS.
Why is it ffs ?
Why are we on lockdown then ? It was a genuine question that I said on my post .
If you know the answer I'm all ears . Others have agreed it seams likely so I don't think it's ridiculous no more ridiculous than being able to visit a pub but not have my mum round to visit for fear of being fined .

latticechaos · 22/08/2020 12:02

I said FFS because we are not on lockdown any more.

We can go to most things with mitigation.

I just feel many people are not engaging with the reality. Either we try to squash the virus, or we let it run uncontrolled, or we do what England is currently doing which is half way between.

'Get back to normal' is meaningless, because the virus will spread again.

islockdownoveryet · 22/08/2020 12:26

I'm in greater Manchester @latticechaos we are in lockdown as in I can work but I can't ask my relatives to look after my child , I can't ask my mum round .
People in my town have had fines for having family round .

amieejust · 22/08/2020 14:53

I'm 99% sure there won't be another national lockdown. Boris said it would be a 'nuclear option'.
The damage to the economy would this time be completely beyond repair, not to mention the effects on mental and physical health.

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