How will the economy cope with a second lockdown?

[Standiethmem]

I really hope there isn't a second lockdown this winter, with the amount of jobs already lost, I can't bear to think about the economy will be with another.

STA Travel has announced today they have gone bust with around 500 jobs being lost.
I feel for all these people and what a scary time it is to be in the job hunt right now.

@KilljoysDutch

I wouldn't put any weight in what people on here say about a second lockdown not happening it was argued and denied on here constantly that masks were needed until they were, there was never going to be a second wave anywhere and we were all fear mongering about it until the second waves started happening.

Have second waves started happening? That's news to me. From what I see in the data, hospitalizations and deaths are at an all time low.

I don't think people as a whole will be as compliant second time around anyway.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/national-lockdown-could-necessary-uk-follows-trajectory-spain/

You can invite people into your home, they may refuse. You can have picnics in the snow with willing others, its your choice.

You can't attend businesses that have been shut down by government.

How would it cope? Quite simply, it wouldn't cope. I don't think there will be one. I don't think there is any need for one. These "spikes" are tiny in comparison to the peak before.

I think in these times it helps to be mentally flexible about what might happen. Taking a rigid stance on what will or won’t happen makes it harder to deal with if things don’t go as you think they will.

It won't cope with the first one, we've barely started in terms of economic impact.

@FoolsAssassin

I think in these times it helps to be mentally flexible about what might happen. Taking a rigid stance on what will or won’t happen makes it harder to deal with if things don’t go as you think they will.

Do you seriously think it will?

Even the WHO have said there aren’t second waves like seen with Spanish Flu. These are just spikes of the first wave. No country has reduced cases to zero bar NZ and therefore as we unlock, cases rise. Still first wave.

At some point we have to balance up how risky it now seems to be. Yes cases are rising in Europe but hospital admissions & deaths are not. Deaths in particular are very low across Europe. We can not justify shutting down society for a virus that has an extremely low death rate. We accept that 20-50,000 people a year die of flu and carry on as normal. At some point we’ll have to do the same with corona. This may be once a vaccine is found or a very successful treatment programme.

I think extremely unlikely but that if 2020 has shown anything it is that the most unlikely things can and just sometimes do happen so am not 100% ruling it out .

I dont understand posters confidently asserting there won't ever be a second lockdown... aren't some parts of the country currently experiencing a second lockdown? Whether it's one big national lockdown or lots of smaller local lockdowns, what's the difference? If you're the one affected you're still in lockdown

@GalesThisMorning

I dont understand posters confidently asserting there won't ever be a second lockdown... aren't some parts of the country currently experiencing a second lockdown? Whether it's one big national lockdown or lots of smaller local lockdowns, what's the difference? If you're the one affected you're still in lockdown

I'm in a "local lockdown" area. Most things are open you just aren't allowed to socialise which of course people still are (don't blame them tbh)

They're stopping things where you don't spend money, they're not shutting everything down.

There will not be another national lockdown. I am 100% certain of this.

There will likely be a continuation of restrictions locally where necessary. And even in these instances it won’t be a ‘lockdown’ despite the media labelling it one.

@TrustTheGeneGenie ah I see. That's unfortunate though that people aren't complying. I imagine that will extend the length of the restrictions. Good luck to you and hopefully people get on board and numbers go down again soon!

In Wales we're still not allowed to have people in our houses, and it's always bloody raining, so socialisation is limited anyway! The plus side is that young children dont need to social distance. Tbh I think it's a fair trade off. I'm happy watching my son play in the garden with his friend and would take that over having my own friends over, if I had to choose.

[quote GalesThisMorning]@TrustTheGeneGenie ah I see. That's unfortunate though that people aren't complying. I imagine that will extend the length of the restrictions. Good luck to you and hopefully people get on board and numbers go down again soon![/quote]
Why would you comply? There is no end to the restrictions. Cases are falling and yet we are still being punished. What's the incentive to comply? There isn't one

They encouraged healthy people to get tested. They did. We had further restrictions. Do you think that will encourage compliance with testing? I don't. Quite the opposite.

@GalesThisMorning yes we are?!

People are becoming complacent because In the beginning we were told it will be a few weeks / months now here we are almost September.
The thing is the deaths are right down yesterday it was 2 deaths , on August the 13 no deaths I don't even remember hearing that you'd think that would be a big deal .
It's not even in the media so much you have to go a seek it out . It's probably because it's not 100s it's not scary any more .
People have to work thru have to live their lives and me personally I feel the police breaking up groups of people a waste of their time .
So the government will not lock down because they will not pay any more .
Even in Oldham where it's tightening restrictions today pubs still open .

its a Conservative government, they received advice from SAGE that any further lockdown would result in riots and civil unrest.

They wouldn't risk either the economy or undermining themselves like that.

Up to four households can now form a bubble and meet indoors.

I think the lack of an obvious reason for the restrictions isn't going to help with compliance. In the beginning I think people were happier when it was about protecting the NHS but with the lack of NHS treatment for other conditions much of that goodwill has been lost

@SnuggyBuggy

I think the lack of an obvious reason for the restrictions isn't going to help with compliance. In the beginning I think people were happier when it was about protecting the NHS but with the lack of NHS treatment for other conditions much of that goodwill has been lost

I think as well we were told it was too flatten the curve. I understood that. I supported it. It was a short term solution to solve a pretty bad problem. Slowly but surely that message has been lost. Here we still are, under restrictions, things still closed. So much sacrificed and not so much as an explanation on the complete change of direction. I lost all good will months ago, to be honest.

Witty or Valliance (not Boris) clearly said ‘we have one shot at this’ referring to national lockdown

Whitty*

Vallance**

... Gives up using phone ....

@macaroniinapot

Up to four households can now form a bubble and meet indoors.

Do you mean one bubble, made of a household + a single person household, can meet another bubble also made of a household + a single person household?

Because not sure four households can form a bubble in England.

Guidance says you are able to meet indoors in groups of up to two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household). This includes inviting people from one household into your home or visiting the home of someone else with members of your own household. You should continue to maintain social distancing with anyone you do not live with or who is not in your support bubble when doing so.

And It remains the case that you should not:

socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub