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Would you be willing to be put under house arrest in order to save lives?

624 replies

Treesofwood · 19/08/2020 23:50

Just that really. Would you be willing to go to prison to save lives? Would you be willing to give up your children's right to an education to save lives? This whole situation brings up many philosophical questions for me, and my theoretical response is not actually the sane as my response when faced with the reality.

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whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:08

I think it's pretty obvious isn't it. If you are a doctor and you have one bed you make a choice. You would make the same choice as anyone else - you would protect the most likely to survive.

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:11

@chicken then I wouldn't put my kid in school only you can make that choice. That said I think provision for vulnerable kids should be made but that's a different argument to expecting all kids (who are at very very limited risk) to wear masks for eight hours a day.

NiceViper · 20/08/2020 20:13

PMSL at the notion the shielded stayed at home for 4 months to ensure there were beds for everyone else. Like anyone’s that altruistic

They were bribed/scared into it. PMSL that anyone is so naive they think the government set up the scheme out of altruistic benevolence

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:13

[quote whereorwhere]@tobee I am sympathetic to the shielded and was happy to spend a limited amount of time putting my life on hold to protect them. I am still sympathetic to you but I won't do this anymore. We can't all carry on putting our lives on hold - you now need to take responsibility for your own health and continue to do what you need to do. The rest of us need to get on with life financially and mentally. I understand this may seem unfair but that's the way it is and the well being of my family is the most important thing[/quote]

Yes, as I've said I want people to go back to normal.

What made me angry is my friend saying she and her family are likely to break lockdown after holiday abroad. She and her husband work from home, have access to supermarket slots and nearby friends. They chose to go away the day after quarantine. They just don't think their teen children can manage not seeing friends and girlfriends for 14 days. But it's entirely possible. My children, in their early 20s, did it for weeks.

RaspberryRuff · 20/08/2020 20:14

@whereorwhere

I think it's pretty obvious isn't it. If you are a doctor and you have one bed you make a choice. You would make the same choice as anyone else - you would protect the most likely to survive.

But it might still be the shielded person who is chosen - I don’t think many people would think even an otherwise sprightly 90 year old should get an ICU bed ahead of a 45 year old undergoing chemo.

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:15

"PMSL at the notion the shielded stayed at home for 4 months to ensure there were beds for everyone else. Like anyone’s that altruistic."

It was sold that we were staying at home for everyone needing a bed

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:16

Indeed Raspberry if that is the choice you may be right - but if it's a 45 year old undergoing chemo and a 45 year old who is healthy that's a different story. I don't resent putting my life on hold but no one in my nuclear family was at risk and we didn't stay indoors for weeks to protect ourselves

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:16

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:17

@tobee

"PMSL at the notion the shielded stayed at home for 4 months to ensure there were beds for everyone else. Like anyone’s that altruistic."

It was sold that we were staying at home for everyone needing a bed

Albeit belatedly

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:18

@tobee I don't see why this has made you angry. They don't need to stay in lockdown anymore. If it's necessary for the health of one of the family my kids would be locked down but it's not - so I am happy for them to get back to normal now. If my kid was at risk I would carry on in lockdown

NailsNeedDoing · 20/08/2020 20:19

What vulnerable people want, is to know that if they do start dying off in droves again, people might eventually be willing to accept REASONABLE adjustments, like masks (where not exempt) in enclosed spaces, to protect their children etc as much as possible.

But the vast majority of people ARE ALREADY accepting reasonable adjustments and wearing masks, and vulnerable people aren’t dying off in droves again.

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:20

I'm sure there are people in the government delighted by the anger and division that has occurred since March. Carry on that feeling Brexit engendered.

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:20

[quote whereorwhere]@tobee I don't see why this has made you angry. They don't need to stay in lockdown anymore. If it's necessary for the health of one of the family my kids would be locked down but it's not - so I am happy for them to get back to normal now. If my kid was at risk I would carry on in lockdown [/quote]

They are supposed to be quarantined! Does that not matter?

NailsNeedDoing · 20/08/2020 20:22

No I don't want louder sympathy. But maybe it would be nice if people could hold back the blame?

Genuinely, I’m sorry if you feel like as a vulnerable person, you’ve been been apportioned blame for lockdown. I’d guess that the people who would blame are twats, and that the majority of people don’t feel like that towards you.

WouldBeGood · 20/08/2020 20:23

Who’s supposed to be quarantining?

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:25

My friend and her family. They chose to carry on and go on holiday to France the day after the quarantine rule happened.

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:26

@tobee it wouldn't bother me to be honest - they are just as likely to get it going to work in Manchester

chickenyhead · 20/08/2020 20:27

There was an if in my sentence.

And yes, I would happily send the children to a separate provision for the vulnerable and allow all others to get on with it.

When I said I would stay in, it is from a perspective of having vulnerable children. The question asked was never would I expect others to do so.

But the anger and bitterness on this thread has woken me up to the harsh reality.

Its ok, you can stop replying or picking apart what i say now, because I have nothing left to say.

TableFlowerss · 20/08/2020 20:27

No. I wear my mask, I keep my distance, I complied with lockdown. I didn’t mix households etc... I done my bit.... I still do.

As a pp said, if it was the Black Death where it killed you regardless of who you were, regardless of age, health, etc Then that would be different.

As it only seriously affects a very small minority, particularly the elderly them no. I wouldn’t sacrifice my children’s mental health for 80+ year old strangers.

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:30

I'm not angry or resentful @chicken I just don't think it is necessary for low risk individuals to continue as we have been. It was different when it first happened but we've done our bit - now we need to be respectful and wear masks but we don't need to cut ourself of from life anymore

Noneformethanks · 20/08/2020 20:30

No.

Shielding was advice. House arrest wouldn’t be.

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:30

[quote whereorwhere]@tobee it wouldn't bother me to be honest - they are just as likely to get it going to work in Manchester [/quote]

Huh?

It's the attitude that the rules only apply to some people. That quarantining is too hard for them.

isabellerossignol · 20/08/2020 20:32

This illness has certainly brought about a huge desire to apportion blame. As if people who catch the virus choose to do so, and choose to pass it on, through sheer selfishness.

whereorwhere · 20/08/2020 20:32

I think we can all make our own decisions now about what level of risk we want to take. As long as the people mixing with the family are made aware they have been to France then that's their choice

tobee · 20/08/2020 20:37

Oh ok then. I didn't realise quarantine was a choice.

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